[ox-en] Re: Athina Karatzogianni * Confronting the difficulties of learning from the open source for contemporary social movements

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Hi Stefan

Thanks for your thoughts on this and we are at a similar page here

I am concerned with the relationship and the organizational and ideological
issues, but more about difficulties of adoption in general not only for
social movements but by everyone and every group in society.

Including many groups, be them ngos, social movement, companies, governments
and looking into the diverse benefits and problems i am sure will make for a
very interesting discussion, certainly an multidisciplinary one (political
social economic legal ethical, technical, many colleagues form many
different research areas would contribute etc)

I ll come back to you when i have a call for papers

Athina

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Stefan Merten <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Athina, list!
>
> 6 days ago Stefan Merten wrote:
> > Confronting the difficulties of learning from the open source for
> contemporary social movements
>
> I'm sorry to say this but I had hoped to learn more about this topic.
> Unfortunately I had decided for another talk during the conference and
> the slides gave me little clue :-/ .
>
> Well, especially after I prepared the talk_ about social / solidarity
> economy I'm more convinced than ever that classical social movements
> and peer production is no more compatible with each other than
> capitalism and peer production. Well, in fact I'm still wrestling with
> this relationship. I think I understood something so far but feel it
> is not yet complete.
>
> .. _talk:
> http://en.wiki.oekonux.org/Oekonux/Research/SocialEconomyOrPeerProduction
>
> What makes peer production appealing to the social movements - and me
> when I started this whole adventure - are the means this new mode of
> production uses. These means are, however, the goals of the social
> movements. Insofar they have something in common but in a rather
> unexpected and weird way...
>
> Well, I think that peer production implements the value set of social
> movements though the social movements did absolutely not anticipate
> how this could happen - and thus they tend to be sceptical or even
> ignorant to what happens in peer production...
>
> > Social movements and their use of the internet
> > ==============================================
> [...]
> > Hacktivism
> > ==========
> [...]
> > Dotcauses
> > =========
> [...]
> > Indymedia Pickard 2006
> > ======================
> [...]
> > Why invest in social movements? Why social movements use FOSS
> > =============================================================
> [...]
> > Difficulties of using FOSS
> > ==========================
>
> IMHO all these things have a rather instrumental relation to any type
> of technology. Insofar the particular technology doesn't matter much
> [1]_.
>
> .. [1] That BTW is also a common way of thinking in the Chaos Computer
>       Club (CCC) which has a rather instrumental relation to Free
>       Software - at least 8 years ago. In a way the CCC is also a
>       classical social movement - though it is totally committed to
>       the most modern technology...
>
> > Conclusion
> > ==========
> >
> > * De Landa:
> >
> > * What matters about the open source movement is not so much the
> >   intentional actions of its main protagonists, actions which are
> >   informed by specific philosophies, but its unintended collective
> >   consequences
>
> That is probably something I can agree with easily :-) .
>
>
>                                                Grüße
>
>                                                Stefan
>



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