Re: Penalty for killing bicyclist inadequate
[email protected] Thu, 17 Feb 2011 21:59:09 -0500 (EST)
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Don't you think that we should all be responsible for our behavior regardless of the circumstances?? Accident or deliberate??Just because it was an "accidnet" doesn't mean she shouldn't have some responsibily in the situation. It happens every day. Accidents. People have something to pay. Money, community time, licence revoked, etc. If a child shoots someone with daddys gun the daddy is charged with something for letting jr. get to the gun. It was an accident though. My experience in seeing cyclists are Mexicans that can't afford a car so they ride all over.Thats how they get to work, go to the store etc. Some and too many folks look down on that and since some with bikes like me that have better then a Wal Mart bike and love to ride it just for fun are thrown into that same catagory. Poo r. If you look at the courts you will see that those with more money get better trials generally. I don't want to start a war here but money talks. Folks on the road on bikes are just in the way of drivers so when one gets hit or killed it is not a big thing. Unfortunately. I once heard that a driver almost hit a rider on the shoulder at night and the rider "shouldn't" have been there. Like he had no right to ride there. Insane. Thats exactly where he should have been but according to this driver he had no right to be there. Good thing he didn't get hit. Fran, Be who you are and say what you feel........ Because those that matter dont mind..... And those that mind don't matter. Anon -----Original Message----- From: Allan Desmond <[email protected]> To: conifir <[email protected]>; bob <[email protected]> Cc: touring <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Feb 17, 2011 11:47 am Subject: RE: Penalty for killing bicyclist inadequate o "just" because she or family member worked hard to afford these things like rivate school for her kids and and Union american made car- she's a illian..That's just dumb! Bicyclist create a atmosphere of hate as much as any one if not more. I was a bicycle commuter since university out of need- then out of enjoyment nly to have it Hijacked by such whack jobs groups as Critical Mass and the "I ever take a bath or wash my cloths" groups( a hard uniform if there ever was) Guess from your tone, she woke up that morning with this "all" planed out to et the Peace loving cyclist-because no driver has ever seen a cyclist run a red ight or cross in front of a car without signaling.. Allan D. Desmond 02.363.3368 [email protected] > Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 11:28:13 -0600 Subject: Re: Penalty for killing bicyclist inadequate From: [email protected] To: [email protected] CC: [email protected] this is true what you said... but the political climate seems to be favoring her .... and not the victim... never the victim... we have to worry about the abuse the individual who created the situation.... how awfully her life has been... she can barely afford her cadillac suv.... and getting all her teeth last week cap was such a financial strain on her family... and the private school her child goes to... and those issues her child has to go through... if mommy goes to jail.... oh the shame.... that damn bicyclist having to be on the road ... On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Bob Carlson <[email protected]> wrote: > I think it would be fine if she went to jail for a while. She hit a cyclist > from > behind. That is negligence by definition. If I were the family of the > victim, I > would also sue because that is the only punishment she will receive. > > It seems fairly obvious that if you don't punish negligence you will get > more of > it and more dead cyclists and pedestrians. > > Cheers, Bob > Eugene, OR - Tucson, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: touring-bounces+bob=rjcarlson.com-Wizm5X4GRk5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org > [mailto:touring-bounces+bob=rjcarlson.com-Wizm5X4GRk5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Colin > Brander > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 10:01 AM > To: Miles Whelen > Cc: touring > Subject: Re: Penalty for killing bicyclist inadequate > > I have to agree. This was a huge mistake on her part, but I don't think she > should go to jail. However, these situations need to be treated a lot more > seriously. She took her eyes off the road and that is negligence. If laws > are improved, penalties increased and law enforcement uses the laws > properly, it is going to send a strong message to the public that while > operating a vehicle you are responsible for operating it safely and that if > you don't, there will be a price to pay. Over time, it will make the roads > a > lot safer for all of us. > > > Colin > > > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Miles Whelen <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hello Dennis, > > > > I see your point. Many people seem to have no remorse as bystanders in a > > like they deserved it. Never heard someone that ran someone down not > sound > > remorseful. > > > > It does however seem to me that not controlling your vehical and killing > > someone is Gross Negligence. The death or course is proof positive that > she > > did not allow a three foot clearance. > > > > Crucifying no; consequences yes. It should serve society and be a > lesson. > > Society should decide but I thing it was not served. > > > > > > We had a young fellow (17 yo ) that killed a father and husband on a wide > > road 4 lane divided, a long line of site with wide shoulder with no > traffic. > > He said he was fumbling for a cassette tape (on the floor?) when he > crossed > > the from the left to right lane onto the shoulder and struck and killed > the > > man. > > Must have been some cassette. Cyclists that ride there just assumed it > was > > a deliberate act to "scare" the cyclist. > > > > He lost his drivers license for a limited time, that was about it. The > > survivors sued him for damages (teen was not emancipated) and the > teenagers > > family had to sell their home to help satisfy the judgement. There were > two > > young children to provide for. > > > > > > It sounds like this woman still has a license but is likely more careful. > > > > Many auto drivers would fear losing their license for a year more than a > > week in jail. > > > > > > Perhaps a minimum sentencing standard is in order, like auto suspension > of > > driving privileges. It is not a right after all, auto driving is a > > privilege. Police officers are-benched after shooting incidents on > similar > > grounds. I think society would be well served; particularly in dangerous > > Florida where it is such a utopia that homelessness is illegal and > > recreational cycling can carry the death penalty. > > > > It would be a start, > > > > Gilbert Anderson > > Yanceyville Upon Dan > > > > << > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 07:14:00 -0500 > > From: Dennis Rehak <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: Penalty for killing bicyclist inadequate > > > > > > > > People have accidents, it happens to us all. Without some showing of > gross > > negligence do we really want to crucify this obviously remorseful woman? > > > > Sent from my iPhone. 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