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Chuck, 
 
I like the way Andy says it not set in stone, but then contradicts himself by saying that the driver is basically assumed guilty as charged until proven otherwise. I thought our system was based on the assumption of innocence until proven guilty.Throw that part of our justice system aside and we might as live in a dictatorship. I realize this might be overstating the issue, but so is Andy's point of view a dangerous one.
 
All I hope is that Andy is never the driver who unexpectedly injures someone in an accident and is taken to jail in handcuffs by an arresting officer as a proposed felon.  This is what he proposes, but his opnion again is not set in stone. 
 
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--- On Fri, 2/18/11, Chuck Davis <[email protected]> wrote:


From: Chuck Davis <[email protected]>
Subject: Re:
To: "Andy Goodell" <[email protected]>
Cc: "touring" <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, February 18, 2011, 7:58 PM


I have yet to observe drivers mowing down cyclists and/or otherwise
have noted same in the media, and don't necessarily believe that drivers
have in the past mowed down cyclists, are in fact doing it today, or will
otherwise keep in the future mowing down cyclists and pedestrians with no
repercussions

..............I'll keep an eye out tomorrow and report back



On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Andy Goodell <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'm not saying that this is set in stone, it just should start with the
> officer assuming the driver was to blame and making violations based on
> that
> UNLESS the driver can attest to not being at fault. If a witness can
> corroborate that the driver was not to blame, or if there's obvious skid
> marks far enough in advance of the crash to show that they were trying to
> avoid it, then they don't have to start with assumptions. It's ridiculous
> that so many people die each year from cars while the driver still drives
> to
> work the next day.
>
> Without these assumptions, as it is now, drivers keep mowing down cyclists
> and pedestrians with no repercussions. If you read Streetsblog, is far too
> often that drivers that have killed, *even with suspended licenses* got a
> slap on the wrist and maybe a small fine. A teenager creamed a bus stop,
> and
> was off the hook because "he had a clean record." Of course he did! He just
> started driving!
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