Re:

You're so right. Look what it's done in the Netherlands. Innocent driver's
are taken away by the busload everyday right?

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Peter Naiman <hetchinspete1-/[email protected]>wrote:

> Chuck,
>
> I like the way Andy says it not set in stone, but then contradicts himself
> by saying that the driver is basically assumed guilty as charged until
> proven otherwise. I thought our system was based on the assumption of
> innocence until proven guilty.Throw that part of our justice system aside
> and we might as live in a dictatorship. I realize this might be overstating
> the issue, but so is Andy's point of view a dangerous one.
>
> All I hope is that Andy is never the driver who unexpectedly injures
> someone in an accident and is taken to jail in handcuffs by an arresting
> officer as a proposed felon.  This is what he proposes, but his opnion again
> is not set in stone.
>
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> Peter
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> --- On *Fri, 2/18/11, Chuck Davis <[email protected]>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Chuck Davis <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re:
> To: "Andy Goodell" <[email protected]>
> Cc: "touring" <[email protected]>
> Date: Friday, February 18, 2011, 7:58 PM
>
> I have yet to observe drivers mowing down cyclists and/or otherwise
> have noted same in the media, and don't necessarily believe that drivers
> have in the past mowed down cyclists, are in fact doing it today, or will
> otherwise keep in the future mowing down cyclists and pedestrians with no
> repercussions
>
> ..............I'll keep an eye out tomorrow and report back
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Andy Goodell <[email protected]<http://us.mc1117.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm not saying that this is set in stone, it just should start with the
> > officer assuming the driver was to blame and making violations based on
> > that
> > UNLESS the driver can attest to not being at fault. If a witness can
> > corroborate that the driver was not to blame, or if there's obvious skid
> > marks far enough in advance of the crash to show that they were trying to
> > avoid it, then they don't have to start with assumptions. It's ridiculous
> > that so many people die each year from cars while the driver still drives
> > to
> > work the next day.
> >
> > Without these assumptions, as it is now, drivers keep mowing down
> cyclists
> > and pedestrians with no repercussions. If you read Streetsblog, is far
> too
> > often that drivers that have killed, *even with suspended licenses* got a
> > slap on the wrist and maybe a small fine. A teenager creamed a bus stop,
> > and
> > was off the hook because "he had a clean record." Of course he did! He
> just
> > started driving!
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