Re: [dinosaur] On several Russian papers

Ben Creisler
[email protected]


A correction. The intended link in Geokniga for Efremov as an author is:

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.geokniga.org_authors_27584&d=DwIFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=Ry_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=y5A7Qw7D4EweJv3VvqD-IQbegrWjMKfAxFPIJRQIRNM&s=0QgdjUR-A4EE_MPw56woiMYjDeFIdjPlScK3xuwEkWo&e= 

The link that got pasted only went to one publication.

You can find available free publications by a particular author by typing
 in the Russian name in the query box with "authors":

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.geokniga.org_authors&d=DwIFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=Ry_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=y5A7Qw7D4EweJv3VvqD-IQbegrWjMKfAxFPIJRQIRNM&s=Yp4ok8k2sEcnmuo5LZXTU9rbRqQiaD63lTHXULLWIiA&e= 

On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 12:09 AM Ben Creisler <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Ben Creisler
> bcreisler@gmail
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> As I thought, some of these papers can be downloaded from Russian sites,
> although sometimes as a full journal or issue rather than as an individual
> article.
>
> One possible complication is that Russian websites often post documents in
> DjVu format rather than pdf. You will need to download a reader, which
> should be available for free. You click through the pages from the bar at
> the top. You can also convert DjVu to pdf (although I have not tried it).
>
>
> The Archive for the Russian journal Priroda in DjVu is posted here:
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__priroda.ras.ru_&d=DwIFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=Ry_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=y5A7Qw7D4EweJv3VvqD-IQbegrWjMKfAxFPIJRQIRNM&s=h5IsiKfeG7x390ftVwq9IdNJdTrHPqCRpl8oAjl0zn0&e= 
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> The issue with Maleev's original description of  Therizinosaurus (Priroda
> 1954(3):106-108), including an illustrated reconstruction as a giant
> turtle-like animal(!), can be downloaded at this link.
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__priroda.ras.ru_djvu_1954-2D03.djvu&d=DwIFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=Ry_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=y5A7Qw7D4EweJv3VvqD-IQbegrWjMKfAxFPIJRQIRNM&s=K748RKvNur82_J8xeSbtNAKUdWQBl1uh_CRxWuxYTq8&e= 
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> ===
>
> The Geokniga website is a bit tricky to work through, but here is a link
> to some of the publications (in DjVu) by Efremov:
>
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> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.geokniga.org_books_13923&d=DwIFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=Ry_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=y5A7Qw7D4EweJv3VvqD-IQbegrWjMKfAxFPIJRQIRNM&s=qpcjw4KrNxpu64A0Kx3AHrvyPWrEliaNf_H4yntMuu0&e= 
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>
> You need to click on the title, then go to the bottom of the individual
> page for the publication and click on the link.
>
> ***
>
> Chudinov's book on early therapsids from 1983 is here:
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.geokniga.org_books_3042&d=DwIFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=Ry_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=y5A7Qw7D4EweJv3VvqD-IQbegrWjMKfAxFPIJRQIRNM&s=gcHVbuHJvZZiOw27XiFM8k1oyQc0k-_drdzHE1DJuTY&e= 
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> ==
>
> I may be able to get  links for some of the other papers, but it can take
> some time to get the queries right in Russian, and, of course, some papers
> may not be online at the moment.
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> On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 2:04 PM Ben Creisler <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> Ben Creisler
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>> Do you necessarily want the first description of a taxon, which sometimes
>> was a very short notice? In some cases, the same authors later published
>> more detailed descriptions, some of which are online from different
>> sources. However, I would need some time to track these down, which
>> involves having the exact Russian spelling and often the Russian form of
>> the scientific name.
>>
>> Here's snippet views of the original description of Therizinosaurus (but
>> it doesn't show the original goofy giant turtle "life" reconstruction that
>> was in the Priroda article). Obviously, this was scanned by somebody...
>>
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>> On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 9:51 AM David Marjanovic <[email protected]>
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>>>
>>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 03. Oktober 2019 um 16:36 Uhr
>>> *Von:* "Leonardo Gómez" <[email protected]>
>>> Did anyone see this?
>>>
>>> I did. I neither have the pdfs, nor was I optimistic about any existing,
>>> so I didn't react.
>>>
>>> But searching Google Scholar for "pliosaurus rossicus" (with quotation
>>> marks) finds the openly accessible pdf
>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__undor-2Dmuz.ru_wp-2Dcontent_uploads_2019_08_Novozhilov-2D1948.pdf&d=DwMBaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=Ry_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=mUnKDVm2Ae1GsCLxAsrfpoJr9BIgLKUJnxpyz8cthJA&s=FACzBAVX8rOcksdnkf7GNjjfEMEFerl_cc7WhZoap48&e=>
>>> on the first page of results.
>>>
>>> That's all, though.
>>>
>>> *Dsungaripterus parvus* is not found.
>>>
>>> Searching for *Estemmenosuchus* and Чудинов together does not find the
>>> description, only a paper celebrating his 90th birthday. The same holds for
>>> *Eotitanosuchus* and Чудинов (a paper in English, Chudinov 1965, is
>>> found, but that's not it, he named *Eotitanosuchus* in 1960).
>>>
>>> Searching for *Nyctiphruretus* and Ефремов brings up two results in
>>> total, neither of which is the description. Likewise for *Titanophoneus*
>>> and Ефремов.
>>>
>>> Searching for *Therizinosaurus* and Малеев brings up interesting
>>> things, but nothing by Малеев.
>>>
>>> So, as expected, most of these works have either never been digitized,
>>> or they've only been scanned as pictures without OCR.
>>>
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