Re: [dinosaur] Hypothetical dinosauroid civilisation
Thomas Richard Holtz <[email protected]> Mon, 30 Dec 2019 16:59:30 -0500
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--000000000000e2089f059af2f5b2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-printable Greetings,=0D=0A=0D=0AExactly the same as we have preserved for Paleolithic= humans: stone and=0D=0Abone tools and artifacts, modified shells and beads= , fire pits, etc. (The=0D=0Achances of finding petroglyphs and cave paintin= gs would be slim, since we=0D=0Awould need to find actual rock surfaces fro= m that time period which were=0D=0Asubsequently buried.)=0D=0A=0D=0AA more = advanced dinosauroid culture--an actual civilization [that is, a=0D=0Acultu= re that builds cities]--would have a greater chance of preservation,=0D=0Aa= s the artifacts they make become larger and more preservable. (For=0D=0Aexa= mple, buildings, roads, metal tools, trash middens, etc.) And even more=0D= =0Atechnologically advanced civilizations might leave behind the remains of= =0D=0Aplastics, massive erosional surfaces (i.e., mines and development),= =0D=0Alandfills, and an isotopic signature related to industrial waste prod= ucts=0D=0A(including greenhouse gases).=0D=0A=0D=0AOn Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at = 4:52 PM Poekilopleuron <[email protected]>=0D=0Awrote:=0D=0A=0D=0A>= Good day to all listmembers, I have an unusual question regarding=0D=0A> h= ypothetical civilisation of highly intelligent dinosaurs, or=0D=0A> "dinosa= uroids". Would it be possible for us to find some traces of late=0D=0A> Cre= taceous civilisation similar to - say - human societies of late=0D=0A> Plei= stocene (late stone age)? What would be its most remarkable traits=0D=0A> (= markers) in the fossil record? Thank you for your thoughts!=0D=0A>=0D=0A=0D= =0A=0D=0A-- =0D=0A=0D=0AThomas R. Holtz, Jr.=0D=0AEmail: [email protected] = Phone: 301-405-4084=0D=0APrincipal Lecturer, Vertebrate Paleontology= =0D=0A=0D=0AOffice: Geology 4106, 8000 Regents Dr., College Park MD 20742= =0D=0A=0D=0ADept. of Geology, University of Maryland=0D=0Ahttps://urldefens= e.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp-3A__www.geol.umd.edu_-7Etholtz_&d=3DDwIBaQ= &c=3DclK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=3DRy_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZg= ecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=3DM-8JFIle4fI02hvWrF3RZo3YhW6ostVtGbhqdA_QBlc&s=3DD= 6npjd_vHszLS58bXP_DNyEavN1mfoq0IMHCEvtFzww&e=3D =0D=0A=0D=0APhone: 301-405-= 6965=0D=0AFax: 301-314-9661=0D=0A=0D=0AFaculty Director, Science & Global C= hange Program, College Park Scholars=0D=0A=0D=0AOffice: Centreville 1216, 4= 243 Valley Dr., College Park MD 20742=0D=0Ahttps://urldefense.proofpoint.co= m/v2/url?u=3Dhttp-3A__www.geol.umd.edu_sgc&d=3DDwIBaQ&c=3DclK7kQUTWtAVEOVIg= vi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=3DRy_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&= m=3DM-8JFIle4fI02hvWrF3RZo3YhW6ostVtGbhqdA_QBlc&s=3D4kEbxMBhlD8NQZwqotfr_vJ= eRZ1YRbUyKMChXUhulrQ&e=3D =0D=0AFax: 301-314-9843=0D=0A=0D=0AMailing Addres= s: Thomas R. Holtz, Jr.=0D=0A Department of G= eology=0D=0A Building 237, Room 1117=0D=0A=0D=0A = 8000 Regents Drive=0D=0A Univers= ity of Maryland=0D=0A College Park, MD 20742-4211 US= A=0D=0A= --000000000000e2089f059af2f5b2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">Greetings,<div><br></div><div>Exactly the same as we have = preserved for Paleolithic humans: stone and bone tools and artifacts, modif= ied shells and beads, fire pits, etc. (The chances of finding petroglyphs a= nd cave paintings would be slim, since we would need to find actual rock su= rfaces from that time period which were subsequently buried.)</div><div><br= ></div><div>A more advanced dinosauroid culture--an actual civilization [th= at is, a culture that builds cities]--would have a greater chance of preser= vation, as the artifacts they make become larger and more preservable. (For= example, buildings, roads, metal tools, trash middens, etc.) And even more= technologically advanced civilizations might leave behind the remains of p= lastics, massive erosional surfaces (i.e., mines and development), landfill= s, and an isotopic signature related to industrial waste products (includin= g greenhouse gases).</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"= ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 4:52 PM Poekilopleuron &l= t;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a= >> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px= 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-co= lor:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Good day to all listmembers, I have = an unusual question regarding hypothetical civilisation of highly intellige= nt dinosaurs, or "dinosauroids". Would it be possible for us to f= ind some traces of late Cretaceous civilisation similar to - say - human so= cieties of late Pleistocene (late stone age)? What would be its most remark= able traits (markers) in the fossil record? Thank you for your thoughts!<br= >=0A</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"= ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>= <p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style=3D"font-s= ize:10pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">T</span><span= style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)"><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">homas R. H= oltz, Jr.<br><font size=3D"2">Email:=C2=A0</font><a href=3D"mailto:tholtz@u= md.edu" style=3D"color:purple" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a><font si= ze=3D"2">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Phone: 301-405-40= 84</font><br><font size=3D"2">Principal Lecturer, Vertebrate Paleontology</= font></font></span></p><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)= "><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)"><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">Off= ice: Geology 4106, 8000 Regents Dr., College Park MD 20742</font></span></p= ><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style=3D"color= :rgb(31,73,125)"><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">Dept. of Geology, Univers= ity of Maryland<br><a href=3D"https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3D= http-3A__www.geol.umd.edu_-7Etholtz_&d=3DDwMFaQ&c=3DclK7kQUTWtAVEOV= Igvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=3DRy_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJg= FW9SI&m=3DM-8JFIle4fI02hvWrF3RZo3YhW6ostVtGbhqdA_QBlc&s=3DD6npjd_vH= szLS58bXP_DNyEavN1mfoq0IMHCEvtFzww&e=3D" style=3D"color:purple" target= =3D"_blank">http://www.geol.umd.edu/~tholtz/</a></font></span></p><p style= =3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,7= 3,125)"><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">Phone: 301-405-6965<br>Fax: 301-31= 4-9661=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0<br><br>Faculty Director, Science & Global Change Program, = College Park Scholars</font></span></p><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;= color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><span style=3D"color:rgb= (31,73,125)">Office: Centreville 1216</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,= 125)">, 4243 Valley Dr., College Park MD 20742<br></span><span style=3D"col= or:rgb(31,73,125)"><a href=3D"https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3D= http-3A__www.geol.umd.edu_sgc&d=3DDwMFaQ&c=3DclK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU= 5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=3DRy_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&a= mp;m=3DM-8JFIle4fI02hvWrF3RZo3YhW6ostVtGbhqdA_QBlc&s=3D4kEbxMBhlD8NQZwq= otfr_vJeRZ1YRbUyKMChXUhulrQ&e=3D" style=3D"color:purple" target=3D"_bla= nk">http://www.geol.umd.edu/sgc</a><br>Fax: 301-314-9843<br><br>Mailing Add= ress:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Thomas R. 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