Re: The two lo'es (was: essentials of a gadri system)

"And Rosta" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups gmane.science.linguistics.lojban.jboske
Organization Livagian Consulate
Message-ID <006701c35ab3$efdd2800$fa350751@oemcomputer>
John:
> Invent Yourself scripsit:
>
> > > Rather, CLL lo'e is about *characteristic* properties. It is
characteristic
> > > of lions to live in Africa, to have short intestines, and to eat
antelope.
> >
> > Ideal? Prototypical? Definitional? Can you give us an algorithm for
> > deriving the "characteristic instance"? Otherwise, I don't know how to
> > distinguish it from a stereotype but for the potentially offensive
quality
> > of the latter.
>
> le'e stereotypes are subjective (not necessarily offensive); lo'e
archetypes
> are objective (meaning that all, or all reasonable persons, agree on them;
> "it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent").

Although I am happy with CLL-lo'e as a minor & peripheral member of the
gadri system, I believe CLL-le'e is downright broken. That is, given the
meaning of e-gadri and the meaning of CLL-lo'e, there is no way that
le'e can, without inconsistency, have the meaning that CLL ascribes to it.
Rather, {le'e nanmu cu broda} must make a generalization about the members
of
le'i nanmu, rather than a statement about the speaker's stereotype of
nanmu.

--And.
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