Re: can Wikipedia apply "CC-BY-SA-compatible FDL" retroactively?

At 02:39 PM 8/10/2008, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> > That's interesting.  Which part of the Knol TOS specifically, is it #8:
> > http://knol.google.com/k/-/-/si57lahl1w25/12#
> > which grants Google the right to "modify" and "create derivative
> > works based on" what you submit to them?  Why is that incompatible,
> > is it because this grants Google the right to "create derivative
> > works" which take out the sharealike requirement, and you're not
> > allowed to do that?
>
>Yes, it's section 8. It's not anything unique to GFDL, you can't
>upload anything to Knol that you didn't write yourself (or you have
>explicit permission of the author) since you can't grant Google a
>license to something you don't hold the copyright for. It's worth
>noting that uploading someone else's work wouldn't be a copyright
>violation because of that, it would just be a violation of Google's
>terms of service, and Google would be committing a copyright violation
>if they tried to use the license you were meant to grant them but
>weren't legally able to.

Are you saying that even if someone else published a work under 
CC-BY, you couldn't publish a derivative work as a Knol article, even 
if you attributed the base work to the author as required by CC-BY, 
and published it under Knol's own CC-BY licensing option?

Would it be, not because you can't re-mix a CC-BY work into your own 
CC-BY work (everyone says you can do this), but because you can't 
grant *Google* the unlimited right to create "derivative works", 
because that would include derivative works that don't include the 
CC-BY attribution?

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