Re: Sort it

I dont think it has been done before. What we need is an open source
decentralized system of certification where each certificate will be a wiki
page, will have a version, and will be able to be assigned by everyone to
anyone.
That will make any journal or university degree obsolete. (We'd just have
professors,not the university, certifying their students.)

I also dont think that there is an easier alternative that solves the long
lasting battle between experts and the rest.


2012/10/28 Stirling Newberry <[email protected]>

> Empirically, that does not have a high probability of success.
>
>
> On Oct 27, 2012, at 8:25 PM, Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis wrote:
>
> > Please, enlighten me.
> >
> > 2012/10/28 Stirling Newberry <[email protected]>
> >
> >> Your post is self-contradictory.
> >>
> >> On Oct 27, 2012, at 8:04 PM, Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis wrote:
> >>
> >>> 1)I don't think that google results have any credibility at all.
> >>> 2)The basis of a wiki is the open source license of its contents. That
> is
> >>> why it is a collaboration.
> >>>
> >>>> Consensus is core to what credibility wikipedia has, because it is
> much
> >>> harder to get a bot net to generate it than to generate links. It means
> >>> that anyone who writes has at least consented to have others check
> their
> >>> work.
> >>>
> >>> That is incorrect. It is much more difficult because each page is
> checked
> >>> by users. In the same way, rating an article will be done by users and
> >> the
> >>> network of trust will be dynamic. If a user is providing bad
> information,
> >>> he will be discarded manually from users.
> >>>
> >>>> That's categorically incorrect. Consensus is a rational preference,
> you
> >>> would ban it, there for violating admissibility. It will also run into
> >>> transitivity issues quickly, as people will set up link farms to point
> to
> >>> their version.
> >>>
> >>> Care to explain that?
> >>>
> >>> Whose preference is rational? rational preference
> >>> <
> >>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preference_(economics)#Applications_to_theories_of_utility
> >>>
> >>> Admissibity of what?
> >>> Admissible_rule<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admissible_rule>
> >>>
> >>> Again transitivity of whose preferences?
> >>>
> >>> I guess that you are trying to say that through consensus , we end up
> in
> >>> some sort of parreto efficient state, ie that the consensus "game"
> forces
> >>> articles to be good enough.
> >>>
> >>> I dont propose to ban consensus, only to allow users to have many
> >>> consensus. I think that people will continue to strive for acceptance
> and
> >>> consensus, especially since each user will have some sort of ranking.
> >>> I admit that I havent really thought of this from a game theoretic
> point
> >> of
> >>> view.
> >>> Stackoverflow, mathoverflow 's ranking system seems to have given a
> good
> >>> incentice to authors, though.
> >>> It all depends on the trust metric.
> >>>
> >>> It is though universally understood that this consensus "game" doesnt
> >>> provide good enough results for academic research.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2012/10/28 David Gerard <[email protected]>
> >>>
> >>>> On 28 October 2012 00:12, Stirling Newberry
> >>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>> On Oct 27, 2012, at 6:33 PM, Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> I know that this is very different from what wikipedia has been
> known
> >>>> to be
> >>>>>> and it is understandable that this huge change can only happen from
> >>>> outside
> >>>>>> of wikipedia.
> >>>>
> >>>>> This project has been started, it is called "the world wide web."
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Indeed. If Wikipedia were not an improvement over the first ten Google
> >>>> hits, it wouldn't exist.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> - d.
> >>>>
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> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>> Sincerely yours,
> >>>
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> >
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     Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis