Re: Examples of Major Disjoints between PopperDeutsch and Science
"hibbsa" <hibbsa-/[email protected]> Sat, 31 Aug 2013 16:46:40 -0000
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--MfD9VOGPmr37uaWSnkRkVXOiQEbyUSPNJCF8Jd8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --- In [email protected], Gary Oberbrunner <garyo@...> wrot= e: > > On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:43 PM, hibbsa <hibbsa@...> wrote: >=20 > > Why do you believe that QM strangeness and the 'big bang' event, are > > definitely NOT different faces of the same hidden explanation, such tha= t > > neither one can be answered in isolation of the other, but can only be > > explained both together. > > > > I'm playing a little, but it is reasonable enough to associate your > > acceptance of MWI with an implicit rejection of the > > QM-and-Big-Bang-together approach. > > >=20 > I must have missed something. What is this about QM (MWI or not) > "rejecting" some explanations of the Big Bang? String theory? LQG? >=20 > (And by the way, at the risk of repeating myself, MWI takes pretty much a= ll > the strangeness out of QM - in exchange for the idea that the world is mu= ch > bigger than we thought.) >=20 > --=20 > Gary >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Gary - over the last few posts I sort of covered the main bases necessar= y - I think - for the points to Brett to be comprehensible. It is very diff= icult though, communicating across large divides. I mean, what I am saying = is very self-evident, and I have even read over a couple of recent posts, a= nd the truth is, I they are an acceptable standard. The problem though, is that you and I have very different 'background conce= ptual framorks'. I think these background concepts are really important not= just in shaping how we think, but also in shaping what we can think. If th= ere's no conceptual support in our heads able to support that next thought,= then that next thought probably doesn't get thought.=20 So, over in your head, your brain has been playing with MWI for years and a= ll these concepts have steadily back to neaar the periphery of your conscio= usness. MWI feels like second nature to you...your brain strongly supportes= that stance from me. It isn't all that likely from my perspective I will e= ver be driving your car again.=20 --MfD9VOGPmr37uaWSnkRkVXOiQEbyUSPNJCF8Jd8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> </head> <body style="background-color: #fff;"> <span style="display:none"> </span> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--> <div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="position:relative;"> <div id="ygrp-msg" style="z-index: 1;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--> <div id="ygrp-text" > <p><br> <br> --- In <a href="mailto:Fabric-of-Reality%40yahoogroups.com">[email protected]</a>, Gary Oberbrunner <garyo@...> wrote:<br> ><br> > On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:43 PM, hibbsa <hibbsa@...> wrote:<br> > <br> > > Why do you believe that QM strangeness and the 'big bang' event, are<br> > > definitely NOT different faces of the same hidden explanation, such that<br> > > neither one can be answered in isolation of the other, but can only be<br> > > explained both together.<br> > ><br> > > I'm playing a little, but it is reasonable enough to associate your<br> > > acceptance of MWI with an implicit rejection of the<br> > > QM-and-Big-Bang-together approach.<br> > ><br> > <br> > I must have missed something. What is this about QM (MWI or not)<br> > "rejecting" some explanations of the Big Bang? String theory? LQG?<br> > <br> > (And by the way, at the risk of repeating myself, MWI takes pretty much all<br> > the strangeness out of QM - in exchange for the idea that the world is much<br> > bigger than we thought.)<br> > <br> > -- <br> > Gary<br> > <br> > <br> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]<br> ><br> <br> Hi Gary - over the last few posts I sort of covered the main bases necessary - I think - for the points to Brett to be comprehensible. It is very difficult though, communicating across large divides. I mean, what I am saying is very self-evident, and I have even read over a couple of recent posts, and the truth is, I they are an acceptable standard.<br> <br> The problem though, is that you and I have very different 'background conceptual framorks'. I think these background concepts are really important not just in shaping how we think, but also in shaping what we can think. If there's no conceptual support in our heads able to support that next thought, then that next thought probably doesn't get thought. <br> <br> So, over in your head, your brain has been playing with MWI for years and all these concepts have steadily back to neaar the periphery of your consciousness. MWI feels like second nature to you...your brain strongly supportes that stance from me. It isn't all that likely from my perspective I will ever be driving your car again. <br> <br> </p> </div> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~--> <div style="color: #fff; height: 0;">__._,_.___</div> <table cellspacing=4px style="margin-top: 20px; margin-bottom: 10px;"> <tbody> <tr> <td style="font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; font-weight: bold; padding: 7px 5px 5px; color: #FFF; background-color: #F2F2F2; border: 1px solid #EAEAEA " > <a style="text-decoration: none; color: #2D50FD" href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Fabric-of-Reality/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxNzhwZjg2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE4ODg2MDAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDIwNTg1BG1zZ0lkAzI1NTg2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTM3Nzk3MzY2Mg--?act=reply&messageNum=25586">Reply via web post</a> </td> <td style="font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; padding: 7px 5px 5px; color: #FFF; background-color: #F2F2F2; border: 1px solid #EAEAEA; " > <a href="mailto:hibbsa-/[email protected]?subject=Re%3A%20Examples%20of%20Major%20Disjoints%20between%20PopperDeutsch%20and%20Science" style="text-decoration: none; color: #2D50FD;"> Reply to sender </a> </td> <td style="font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; padding: 7px 5px 5px; color: #FFF; background-color: #F2F2F2; border: 1px solid #EAEAEA; "> <a href="mailto:[email protected]?subject=Re%3A%20Examples%20of%20Major%20Disjoints%20between%20PopperDeutsch%20and%20Science" style="text-decoration: none; color: #2D50FD"> Reply to group </a> </td> <td style="font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; padding: 7px 5px 5px; color: #FFF; background-color: #F2F2F2; border: 1px solid #EAEAEA; " > <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Fabric-of-Reality/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlMW42cTM0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE4ODg2MDAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDIwNTg1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTM3Nzk3MzY2Mg--" style="text-decoration: none; color: #2D50FD">Start a New Topic</a> </td> <td style="font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; padding: 7px 5px 5px; color: #2D50FD; background-color: #F2F2F2; border: 1px solid #EAEAEA; " > <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Fabric-of-Reality/message/25573;_ylc=X3oDMTM2a3QzcjVhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE4ODg2MDAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDIwNTg1BG1zZ0lkAzI1NTg2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTM3Nzk3MzY2MgR0cGNJZAMyNTU3Mw--" style="text-decoration: none; color: #2D50FD;">Messages in this topic</a> (6) </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <!------- Start Nav Bar ------> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <div id="ygrp-vital" style="background-color: #f2f2f2; font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding: 10px;"> <span id="vithd" style="font-weight: bold; color: #333; text-transform: uppercase; ">Recent Activity:</span> <ul style="list-style-type: none; margin: 0; padding: 0; display: inline;"> <li style="border-right: 1px solid #000; font-weight: 700; display: inline; padding: 0 5px; margin-left: 0;"> <span class="cat"><a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Fabric-of-Reality/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJmN2gwaGJkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE4ODg2MDAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDIwNTg1BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZtYnJzBHN0aW1lAzEzNzc5NzM2NjI-?o=6" style="text-decoration: none;">New Members</a></span> <span class="ct" style="color: #ff7900;">1</span> </li> </ul> <div style="clear: both; padding-top: 2px; color: #1e66ae;"> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Fabric-of-Reality;_ylc=X3oDMTJlbGRmaTZuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE4ODg2MDAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDIwNTg1BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTM3Nzk3MzY2Mg--" style="text-decoration: none;">Visit Your Group</a> </div> </div> <div id="ft" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 11px; margin-top: 5px; padding: 0 2px 0 0; clear: both;"> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJkMWwzdWhwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE4ODg2MDAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDIwNTg1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMzc3OTczNjYy" style="float: left;"><img src="http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/yg/logo/us.gif" height="15" width="137" alt="Yahoo! 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