Re: Target: Tegmark Mathematical Universe
"Lee Corbin" <[email protected]> Mon, 24 Mar 2014 05:26:24 -0700
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Smitra wrote
> [Lee wrote]
> > Do you consider it *possible* for brain science
> > to make such tremendous advances in the next
> > centuries that uploading a worm, an insect, or
> > a mammal might occur?
> >
> > If it does become possible, then this question
> > will become pertinent: is uploading a pet that
> > is painfully dying of cancer moral?
>
> Yes, this [uploading] should pose no problems. I would
> agree that you can have a virtual pet that is suffering.
> You can even consider a hypothetical analogue computer
> that operates using wheels and gears. Even such a
> machine can feel pain...
>
> Now, we must also be prepared to question any notions of morality we
> have. If all possible universes exist anyway then the suffering kitten
> should also exist even if we don't simulate it. The only thing that
> changes due to the simulation is that we can see what is going on in
> that universe.
But it seems to me that what you have written could
be used to justify any cruel action. If a psychopath takes
you to his basement and shows you a set of teenage
girls he's kidnapped and is torturing, and asks your opinion,
to your suggestion that his actions are making the universe
a worse place, he might retort that since they're already
suffering somewhere in the multiverse--that indeed
the suffering girls exist even if he were to discontinue
his hobby, then "the only thing that is different due to
his actions or a simulation is that we can see what is
going on". Then he suggests that he'll simply show no
more people his basement.
Yes, while everything occurs, it doesn't occur in equal
measure in equal density across the multiverse. We
can (from the frog perspective) try to encourage that
which is good, and avoid actions that increase the
measure of what is bad. Doesn't that make more
persuasive the argument that some programs should
not be run?
Lee
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<p>Smitra wrote<br>
<br>
> [Lee wrote]<br>
> > Do you consider it *possible* for brain science<br>
> > to make such tremendous advances in the next<br>
> > centuries that uploading a worm, an insect, or<br>
> > a mammal might occur?<br>
> > <br>
> > If it does become possible, then this question<br>
> > will become pertinent: is uploading a pet that<br>
> > is painfully dying of cancer moral?<br>
> <br>
> Yes, this [uploading] should pose no problems. I would <br>
> agree that you can have a virtual pet that is suffering.<br>
> You can even consider a hypothetical analogue computer<br>
> that operates using wheels and gears. Even such a <br>
> machine can feel pain...<br>
> <br>
> Now, we must also be prepared to question any notions of morality we <br>
> have. If all possible universes exist anyway then the suffering kitten <br>
> should also exist even if we don't simulate it. The only thing that <br>
> changes due to the simulation is that we can see what is going on in <br>
> that universe.<br>
<br>
But it seems to me that what you have written could<br>
be used to justify any cruel action. If a psychopath takes<br>
you to his basement and shows you a set of teenage<br>
girls he's kidnapped and is torturing, and asks your opinion,<br>
to your suggestion that his actions are making the universe<br>
a worse place, he might retort that since they're already<br>
suffering somewhere in the multiverse--that indeed <br>
the suffering girls exist even if he were to discontinue<br>
his hobby, then "the only thing that is different due to<br>
his actions or a simulation is that we can see what is<br>
going on". Then he suggests that he'll simply show no<br>
more people his basement. <br>
<br>
Yes, while everything occurs, it doesn't occur in equal<br>
measure in equal density across the multiverse. We<br>
can (from the frog perspective) try to encourage that<br>
which is good, and avoid actions that increase the<br>
measure of what is bad. Doesn't that make more<br>
persuasive the argument that some programs should<br>
not be run?<br>
<br>
Lee<br>
<br>
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