Re: Planting a Trillion Trees

on 5/4/04 7:26 AM, T at temeluch-/[email protected] wrote:

Don't worry about how it will work Forest. Negative Energy doesn't work in
any system.

forest:
i am not worrying, i am asking questions....how does that translate to
negative energy????

t:
Every member of the community must volunteer to work one day per week. That
right there is a huge resource which alone can be counted on to do the
entire job. All we have to pay for is the Seeds or Seedlings.

forest:
you could collect seeds from nature and plant them and save money....


t:
Then of course we will still have a huge bank account that is just crammed
full of US Dollars that have all been marked with a T on the back that has
as you have seen remained largely intact except for the cost of the seeds
and or seedlings and a wide variety of tools and supplies.

forest:
why did you choose to put a "t" on the back?????

t:
Committees will be created by the Council and sub-committees will be created
in turn.

forest:
how is "the council" formed and who can be on it???...and do they operate by
consensus????....is there anyone above the council????

t:
Consensus as you can see has no real place in the environment because it
doesn't have that much reality.

forest:
don't understand your statement here????....there is much consensus in
nature...

t:
It is not a necessary part of this process or any other process known to
science. 

forest:
did you know that the quakers use consensus, as well as the united nations,
NATO, hewlit packard, and many of the more inovative and freethinking
intentional communities, just to mention a few....

t:
That is just another tiny little tool with almost no effect like a spindly
rake that we can do all this work with or without.

forest:
imho i do not see how anyone can act out a sustainable community or
eco-village without consensus.....without that level of spiritual
cooperation imho real true sustainability is not possible....

t:
All you need to plant trees is a good stick. And I do have a pretty good
stick well in hand here as you can see so let us not start panicking about
the evaporation of something that was never there to begin with.

forest:
much of your dialog here sounds authoritative, is that your intention with
eden village????....aren't we as americans especially too independant to
"follow the leader"....especially if the leader has no more experience or
expertise than the rest of us?????.....

t:
I have not promised non stop all night consensus parties every day of the
week. We will play around with some of these curiously flawed structures
like Democracy and Consensus.

forest:
so what unflawed structures are you considering???....have you ever tried
consensus or democracy????....which do you prefer????....

t:
Look who gets elected. It really is a crude tool and it is not used for that
reason by any of the exact sciences.

forest:
i suspect if consensus was used more by science that the environment would
be in less peril than it is now.....

t:
It doesn't matter what people think. Opinion does not change the density of
water which in this group is very high.

forest:
are you a people too????....if trying to start an eco-village, which is an
organized social system, how can we conclude that it doesn't matter what
people think????...

t:
We should not be worshiping these false idols of ignorance and fear which
all comes only from one thing and that is Wrong Education meaning victim
based ignorance.

forest:
as near as i can understand your approach, it sounds like it will be run by
some kind of "false idol" or "idols".....

t:
Only the Lifelong Victims like we have seen here on the web so commonly need
protection from the Real Visionaries who come across like Charlie Manson for
the most part to those who just don't want to know and don't want to learn
because they already know everything which to me is a lot scarier than
Manson ever could be..

forest:
how much do you feel you know????....more than the group you are involved
in????...more than me?????...

t:
We will provide these folks with some degree of protection. But we do ask
them to give us a little bit of slack as well so we can continue to do our
best and not get bogged down in useless stupidities.

forest:
how would you define "useless stupidities"?????

t:
That is why we will use the New American 3 /4 Consensus Process Version T
that is designed to beat all the others cold.

forest:
that sounds like majority rule to me.....more like democracy than consensus
and we can see that democracy is still moving swiftly at destroying the
environment because they have this competition "beat others cold" mentality
trying to get to those natural resources before anyone else does and use
them up carelessly.....

t:
The other stuff has just recently been sold on Ebay just last week. We beat
up all the other guys and now we own them.

forest:
what other stuff are you referring to here????....in consensus sustainable
spirituality there is no need to "beat up all the other guys and then own
them"....it is more like share the knowledge and wisdom and support them in
becoming like us, more sustainable....

t:
We are very pragmatic here. I myself will speak up if no one else and say "
That is not practical" when dumbness begins to pervade the air. Old
expectations must be dropped now that the dawning of a new day has begun to
unfold right here before us all on this totally fine new day.

forest:
i am all for pragmatism, but only if balanced with intuition....together
they make a whole brain and over time open the unused frontal lobe....if
pragmatism dominates, it is out of balance and destructive to the whole
imho.....

t:
But do read the material if you need more of an indepth understanding. This
has all been covered quite fully on the full blown website. Read it while
you can before its all taken down and we disappear from sight. - T

forest:
why would you ever take it down if the model was a good one????....wouldn't
you want to share your great ideas with others seeking a similar
example????...aloha and peace,

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forest
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