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Hi Forest and eco village list,
I like the results of Forest's post, but a dull note in the strident tone
struck when I opened the www of the author.  What I understand it to be is
- a copy of Biodynamic Farming solutions, albeit that have been verified
in brix-tests and my personal experience.

Forest, please let me know if you checked out that poster's claims?  Do
you agree that is a 'copy of Biodynamic Farming solutions?'  Aren't we
preaching to the converted and squabbling under the bleachers?  Meanwhile,
this fast-writing guy sells a copy of Biodynamic Farming solutions by
mail.

Are you familiar with the Soil Food Web, Dr. Elaine INgrahm?

Best,
Zack

> this is a crossposting from a discsussion group i belong to, i thought
> it was important enough to share with others interested in optimum
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> stop....aloha,
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> From: "Thomas Giannou" <thomas-R+kA37YvCP6x+DdurSjVc1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
> Reply-To: [email protected]
> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:41:30 -0700
> To: <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [BrixTalk] Phosphate content...
>
> Hi Allan,
>
> I was just citing an example where excessive super phosphate use and
> excessive chemical fertilizer use can put the soil into major problems
> where no crops can be grown.  I don't perceive that people like Reams,
> Kinsey and Albrecht ever got into situations where they screwed up the
> soil like that.
>
> What I have found is that I can put down two fertilizer products as a
> "food resource" in the form of trace minerals (Planters II) and organic
> nutrients (Biosol organic fertilizer).  With that resource in place I
> don't spend a dime on soil testing or pH testing, because I've found
> that material is more than adequate.  The next resource I have added to
> soils and to plant roots and plant surfaces is some very specific soil
> life.  Examples of the soil life are mycorrhizal fungi, trichoderma
> fungi, aerobic bacteria species, and faculative bacteria species which
> can be aerobic or anaerobic.  The levels that soil life are added CAN
> NOT be achieved naturally.  Natural levels of both types of resources
> (the two fertilizer types and the various soil life species) are
> inadequate to support the number of plants we are growing for food.
> Cultivation is more than loosening up the soils.  We need both types of
> the above resources added to the soils to grow the numbers of plants we
> want to grow and to achieve the plant qualities that we want to achieve.
> Those high plant qualities are directly tied to brix levels as a means
> of measuring plant quality.  Those high plant qualities are tied to both
> soil life AND food for that soil life which is transformed into food for
> the plants.  When you take care of those two resource types properly
> then plant quality and yields are maximized.  I am absolutely convinced
> that measuring brix levels and seeing those levels go above maximum on
> the brix charts is a good way to monitor how well the system is
> performing.  When you look inside the plants and observe greatly
> improved plant physiology, there is no doubt that this system works.  I
> don't spend money on soil tests or soil testing equipment or pH testing
> equipment or nutrient testing equipment or any other rather expensive
> conductivity or frequency meters.  I just have my trusted refractometer
> to measure brix.  And I have found a way that works to get my plants
> into high yields, high health and vitality and high brix.
>
> Someone made an post earlier about RNA bacteria.  They are implying that
> they have this "special" bacteria with RNA in it and it will somehow
> produce great plants.  That's a SCAM in the works.  DNA is in all
> bacteria.  There is a process of copying RNA from the DNA.  That's how
> RNA is created.  It doesn't just pop into existence in bacteria.  In
> bacteria it is copied from the DNA.  Once the RNA is formed it goes
> through a translation process to make protein and amino acids.  I have
> bacteria in my microbe tea kits which are very good at generating a lot
> of different amino acids.  Amino acids are long chain molecules to which
> trace minerals and other plant nutrient ions can hook up.  That stuff is
> known as chelated minerals.  Amino acids loaded up with plant nutrients
> which are solubalized out of minerals and organic material by fungi and
> bacteria are the main transport of plant nutrients into the cells of
> plants.  Amino acids have priority for getting into plant cells by a
> process called endocytosis.  If you have the right foods (minerals and
> organic materials present) and you have plenty of the right kind of
> bacteria and fungi processing that raw food material and amino acids
> which hook up with the nutrients and mycorrhizal fungi which work with
> the right kind of bacteria to transport those nutrients into plant
> cells... you then have a plant loaded up with a lot of the right
> nutrients to grow and produce a lot of high brix foods.  You use a
> refractometer to verify the quality is present.  You can also look at
> the plant structure inside and out and SEE that you have superior plant
> physiology being developed.  You will observe that destructive insects
> are not attracted to such plants and that diseases which are really
> decomposers do not form on those plants.  You can also SEE there is more
> chlorophyll in large sized leaves on those plants. You can also SEE
> vibrant colors develop.  And when you eat the food grown from such
> plants... which is really the object we all are getting at... you have
> such clarity of mind, and you feel physically much improved because of
> the nutrition in the food you are eating, and you have an immune system
> and a digestive system which is functioning much better, and you are
> building up the good organisms while keeping out the toxic producing
> organisms in your intestinal tract because of the much higher level of
> beneficial phytosterols which are in that food you ate.... and you are
> maintaing high levels of health and vitality in your body.  If we could
> get all the growers to grow food like this, we would not have the
> medical problems we have now in this country.  People are concerned
> about the cost of medical care and of medicines.  I strongly believe and
> am convinced all of that can be wiped away by growing and consuming food
> as I have described above.
>
> I also believe it is a mistake to think the organisms are going to come
> along if you just put the food down for them.  You can get them to
> natural levels, but those levels are not good enough, in my opinion, to
> grow high brix food which is reflective of high quality plants loaded
> with nutrients and phytochemicals which are most beneficial to US when
> we eat that food. There are vast areas where those organisms have been
> destroyed because of the chemical cultural practices.  It's absurd to me
> to think they are going to appear out of no where at levels that have to
> be above what naturally can occur or naturally can be sustained.  That's
> just wishful thinking in my opinion... although there is an element of
> truth to that sort of thinking. We have strong evidence that when the
> mineral and organic food is put in place and bacteria and fungi are
> applied to start the system up at much higher than natural levels, the
> earthworm populations and protozoa and beneficial nematodes and many
> other beneficial life in the soil will virtually explode in numbers.
>
> We did an experiment with some grass clippings that the worms would not
> touch because there were not enough nutrients present to cause them to
> eat them.  We had two twenty by twenty foot areas knee deep in those
> grass clippings.  We brewed up a batch of our tea which contains a lot
> of beneficial bacteria and fungi which we have purchased and have known
> performance in generating amino acids and solubalizing minerals and
> breaking down organic material.... along with some food for those
> critters.  We sprayed one quart of that tea on each of those 20x20 foot
> areas and in 2-3 weeks all of the grass clippings were gone.  The soil
> was teeming with earthworms and the soil was soft to 3 and 4 feet into
> clay soils below about a foot of loam.  There wasn't a trace of the
> clippings left.
>
> In another experiment, we treated lawns with minerals, organic
> materials, mycorrhiza fungi, and our tea.  We took the clippings from
> that lawn and piled them in areas of soil that had not been fertilized
> or sprayed with bacteria and fungi.  In a couple of weeks those
> clippings were gone.  Again the earthworm populations were high and the
> soil tilth ran deep.  The high levels of bacteria and fungi on that
> grass and the nutrients in that grass were what enticed the earthworms
> to move into that stuff in great numbers. We didn't see the red
> composting worms.  Those earthworms filled that soil with worm castings.
>
> We planted vegetable plants in that soil, added BioVam mycorrhiza to the
> plant roots and grew high brix plants.  These experiments showed that
> organic material low in nutrients is just going to sit there, but there
> is a way to utilize it by spraying nutrients and bacteria and fungi onto
> it.  The experiments also indicated that organic material rich in
> internal nutrients and coated with bacteria and fungi beneficial to the
> soils is also a good source of material that will sustain the growth of
> high brix plants and it will draw in and sustain certain organisms like
> earthworms.  The organic material without nutrients would not draw in
> the organisms nor would it cause them to multiply until we added food
> and bacteria and fungi.  Then, the earthworms went nuts with that stuff.
>  In both of those cases, the level of soil life was above what naturally
> would occur in the area.  When we increased the soil life and nutrients
> for that soil life, it made a big difference.  Natural levels never made
> a difference with the low nutrient clippings which had sat around for
> years.
>
> Anyway, I'm not speaking against guys like Reams and Kinsey and Albrecht
> who paid little or no attention to soil biology and still got (and get)
> results. But I am saying that paying attention to soil biology can
> certainly make a difference and I don't have to wait years for stuff to
> creep in and hope for the best.  I can start with soil that is already
> ruined and get going right away with production.  I am also ready to be
> called a kook because I firmly believe that using a refractometer is the
> best way to monitor the fact that my plants are high in quality
> especially as I see their superb physiological development.
>
> Interestingly enough, I'm also noticing that many of the rules about
> what you can or can't do with plants are vaporizing because they were
> developed as a result of growing plants under chemical cultural
> practices.  For example:  first year strawberry plants can bear and
> produce significant high quality berry volumes and can develop into
> strong plants at the same time. You do not have to wait until the second
> year to produce a crop of strawberries.
>
> Best Regards,
> Thomas Giannou
> http://www.tandjenterprises.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Allan Balliett
>   To: [email protected]
>   Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 4:22 AM
>   Subject: Re: [BrixTalk] Phosphate content...
>
>
>   >There are soils that have been screwed up by chemical fertilizer
> salts and there's plenty of minerals and phosphate present, but the
> plants won't grow in those soils without the addition of key soil
> life.  There is an exception.
>
>   So what do you make of guys like Reams and Kinsey and Albrecht who
> paid little or no attention to soil biology and still got (and get)
> results?  If you are doing the soil testing and doing the balancing by
> appropriate incorporation of inputs, isn't it, to a fair degree 'build
> it and they will come'? (And they will  come faster if you inoculate.)
>
>   Later -Allan
>
>
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