Re: Another Bush Crime against humanity and Gaia

on 1/28/05 5:15 PM, Globalcircle at [email protected] wrote:

> 
> I agree and promote " the paradigm shift to small decentralized bioregional
> consensus group land based actions...." but without the consensus group
> part.  Historically, stable societies in general have been composed of
> small, close-knit communities made up primarily of extended families.

imh-bs without consensus it is mostly male dominant hierarchical politics as
usual, even in small tribes there were alpha male and/or female bullies who
forced the group by some hierarchical methods....most of us today would not/
could not tolerate such systems....imh-bs we are too spoiled by
individualism and freedom....with the world populations so large, there just
ain't enough space to play those old hierarchical games anymore imh-bs, plus
they did not really promote an evolution of human rights and spirituality
for all....

> Such
> communities usually had the independence to decide their own governance
> without ideas of democracy, consensus, or dictatorship shoved down their
> throats from outside.

no, but they shoved hierarchy down each others throats from inside...then
they also had to deal with similar small tribes nearby competing for land,
for food, and shelter....and that was back when there was a lot more room
available, and they still fought/competed within the tribe and with
neighboring tribes....there may have been a few isolated cases where land
and food was abundant in the tropics where egalitarian societies evolved,
but eventually neighbor bullies came along and disrupted them....

>  This is the general pattern of most societies
> worldwide throughout recorded history.

i just don't see it as viable or fun anymore really, women were opressed,
and the hierarchies created competition and stress in between battles with
the neighboring tribes....

> Those who didn't fit in were free
> to go their own way.

but where could they go?????...back then they needed each other for
survival.....some of the more smarter ones left and lived on the fringes and
became the shamans of the tribe searching their souls for better ways to
live and offering advice to the competitive tribes people....

> Today the same type of local organization would rise
> naturally if roadblocks were removed.

ya, but most of us would not tolerate that pecking order mentality....it
still exists in the modern world for the masses and they stress and grumble
about it much.....

> And as in the past, it would
> certainly need to be land based. But the form of ownership and allocation
> of labor and rewards would always have to be worked out among the people
> concerned, not pre-determined by idealists or imposed from outside. And it
> would vary from place to place.

well, i think in this modern world now, it is not going to work to go back
to the past....i think/feel it best to keep pushing the envelope for huWoMan
rights and cooperation and imh-bs consensus and idealism are some of our
important keys to that evolution....imh-bs we need to get spiritual fast in
order to deal with the dangers in the modern technological world now in
control of male dominant businessmen and military industrial
complex....aloha, 

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