RE: don't need no stinkin' concensus / wasAnother Bush Crime against humanity and Gaia

Geez louise... how do I get off this list? The usual commands
('unsubscribe') don't work... it just produces a returned error message.

Les 


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Globalcircle
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 6:33 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Ecobal]don't need no stinkin' concensus / wasAnother Bush Crime
against humanity and Gaia


I'm sorry, but as long as you insist spiritual evolution demands consensus
living, I can't make any sense of what you're saying. Consensus has no
known connection to sustainability, ecology, or spirituality. It's a wash.
Of course you found nothing regarding community concepts or political
decision making at our farm. Because Barb and I don't have or need anyone
else here, just us. We work.  We don't need no stinkin' concensus ;-) We're
both well educated in the Old Country sense and with degrees.  I can't
imagine any sort of "political decisions" we could make at our place.
Community concepts? We try to help friends and neighbors. They help us in
some ways. We practice community.  We understand spiritual relationship
with the land, in case you missed that, because it's something we practice.
That's what Medicine Hill is all about. My site states that.  

Knock off the stuff about everybody who doesn't agree with you is not
"spiritually evolved" (as you are, presumably, since you're a superior
being). Such nonsense gets really tiresome, and nobody agrees with you on
that.  If you can make some sense, I'll discuss these things, otherwise I
have a life. 

paul [email protected]
http://largocreekfarms.com
http://medicinehill.net

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On 2/1/2005 at 6:13 AM forest wrote:

>on 1/31/05 7:29 PM, Globalcircle at [email protected] wrote:
>
>> 
>> Of course you don't recall blaming me for anything. You don't recall
>> anything, do you.  I'm defining consensus exactly as you do on your
>> website, as anyone can see, but you claim I don't know anything about
it.
>
>well, some of your comments about consensus did/do not make sense to me,
>that is why i asked you if you ever even tried it....and you did not
answer
>most of me questions in that regard....
>> 
>>> what little i
>>> know of your form of cooperation sounds like some kind of benevolent
>>> dictator at best to me
>> 
>> You should read what I wrote before slinging wild accusations like that.
>
>well, please note i said, "what little i know", and i have been asking you
>questions, which you haven't really answered mostly..... i have been
>carefully looking at what you are writing, and i also looked at your
>website
>and found nothing regarding community concepts or political decision
making
>at your farm....feel free to direct me to a link, if i missed it....
>
>> In spite of all that "peace" stuff, you don't realize you're showing the
>> worst kind of hostility to those who simply disagree with you.
>
>so, asking questions is hostility? or being honest about what i think/feel
>is the vibe i am getting from your comments to me is hostility?????...i am
>simply trying to debate me own position, and am allowing you to do the
>same....do you feel you have been hostile or sarcastic to me at
>all?????....
>
>> And of
>> course I do my homework, I looked at your personal page.  And I have to
>> tell you, I am not the lost soul you are, I'm not searching for
>something I
>> can't find.
>
>well, we are all different, we all have our own agendas or passions in
>life....i am not trying to force anything on you, but rather
discuss/debate
>me own position on the subject....
>
>>  And I don't have a need to surround myself with people who are
>> such lamebrains they can always come to some consensus.
>
>no one ever said you have to agree, but i like to share another
>view/perspective and do.....
> 
>> Now neither one of us is getting anywhere with this. I have work to do.
>> Adios.
>
>i actually feel i am getting somewhere in this discussion....i am sharing
>me
>own passionate viewpoints on consensus, something i feel is one of the
most
>important eco-balance issues in regard to living more
>peacefully/sustainable
>with the environment and our neighbors....even tho you claim to not be
>interested, i sense others may be who are listening.....and i sense anyone
>who cares about deeper levels of cooperation or spiritual evolution may
>find
>something of interest in our discussion.... even you, tho i sense it would
>be hard with your current polar type mindset to admit it, but we can plant
>seeds of thought/feeling for future reference if nothing else and that
>feels
>good to me....aloha,
>
>-- 
>forest
>[email protected]
>http://www.lavazone2.com/forest/
>
>
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