Re: don't need no stinkin' concensus / wasAnother Bush Crime against humanity and Gaia

on 2/1/05 4:33 PM, Globalcircle at [email protected] wrote:

> 
> I'm sorry, but as long as you insist spiritual evolution demands consensus
> living, I can't make any sense of what you're saying.

i did not say it "demands" consensus, but rather said imh-bs (in me humble
"belief system" or "bull shit" depending on whether or not you might agree)
consensus is a natural progression for some spiritual seekers (at least) in
their ongoing evolving spiritual quest in life/death....imh-bs spirituality
involves many factors or types or focuses (as you mention below nature or
garden or plant spirituality you practice)...... and also many levels and
degrees of awareness.....certainly i believe all people are spiritual beings
already at all levels, aware to one degree or another of some of our
spiritual nature, and in the continuum of things spiritual evolution is
ongoing and polarity mindset of beginning and ending can be transcended into
continuum beyond time and space....so many levels and ongoing....so, i like
to keep making some steps and i intuitively and intellectually feel at some
point after tantric couple consensus we link up with tribal
consensus....just me own take or path on/in life, me own current opinion of
how our options unfold....i feel meself have a long way to go, am only
slowly tuning into the group mind a bit, but do have some experience above
average...

> Consensus has no
> known connection to sustainability, ecology, or spirituality. It's a wash.

maybe it is because you haven't ever given it a good try for a year or two
or maybe it is because you are not interested in that kind of cooperation
with others whereas others who are find some meaning and spirit
there.....but i see all those connections as essential to succeed at
cleaning the environment and creating peace on earth....imh-bs anyway... :-)

> Of course you found nothing regarding community concepts or political
> decision making at our farm. Because Barb and I don't have or need anyone
> else here, just us. We work.  We don't need no stinkin' concensus ;-) We're
> both well educated in the Old Country sense and with degrees.

ok, well you gave me the impression somehow that you talked from experience
regarding formalized consensus....or gave the opinion that you had tried
many types of intentional community decision making systems and found
consensus a total failure based on some past experience....

> I can't
> imagine any sort of "political decisions" we could make at our place.

believe me, reaching consensus with just one other is rare and quite a
challenging spiritual experience in itself alone....let alone with three and
four, etc....or with nature for that matter, all a matter of degrees in the
continuum imh-bs :-)

> Community concepts? We try to help friends and neighbors. They help us in
> some ways. We practice community.  We understand spiritual relationship
> with the land, in case you missed that, because it's something we practice.

ya, i vibed your garden scene as being on a spiritual path, and your part on
midwifery also....

> That's what Medicine Hill is all about. My site states that.

your use of the term, "MY SITE", tells me a bit more about you and your farm
and your focus at this time.....
 
> Knock off the stuff about everybody who doesn't agree with you is not
> "spiritually evolved" (as you are, presumably, since you're a superior
> being).

i am just sharing me opinion or viewpoint about how i feel consensus is
connected to spirit, sustainability, and peace on earth....i am not saying i
am superior, i am saying i have opinions based on practical experience and
intuition, that is all, imh-bs you are distorting me comments....

>  Such nonsense gets really tiresome, and nobody agrees with you on
> that.  

speak for the self, others here have already made supportive comments
regarding consensus....thank god/goddess for their "consensus" support on
some aspects of consensus we agree on already....we know we don't agree on
everything, but do we agree on enough to join together cooperatively in
order to live more sustainable, spiritual, peaceful????...me thinks/feels
so....testing one, two, the story continues.... :-)

>If you can make some sense, I'll discuss these things, otherwise I
> have a life. 

i have a life and make sense too...happy life and forevers...aloha and
peace,

-- 
forest
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http://www.lavazone2.com/forest/


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