Re: sustainable living

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> doesn't burning veggie oil (a hydrocarbon,
> which their website mentions as a fuel they use as well as  
> hydrogen) also
> produce CO2 and contribute to global warming

helllo laurie

thanks for your comments!

vegetable oil, or other forms of biodiesel, need not contribute to  
global climate change, if they are sustainably produced, as all the  
carbon contained in the oil was recently captured from the  
atmosphere, leaving a net zero carbon balance.

the question then is how much energy was used to create the veggie oil.

the department of energy estimates that biodiesel currently reduces  
co2 emissions by 78% compared to fossil fuel diesel, which is not bad  
at all, I think.

a bigger issue may be the amount of land required to produce all that  
biodiesel: 4 times the arable land in the US. Cellulosic ethanol may  
only require as "little" as a 20th or so of the US arable land,  
according to a "Wired" article, based on today's inefficient fuel use.

reducing the car's fuel need in the first place is the most  
environmentally friendly, and probably cheapest, way to reduce  
emissions.

this is where the criticism of the hummer comes in; if you were to  
run it on biodiesel, it still produces as much CO2 as a fossil-fuel  
run Prius or Insight, which is 4 times more efficient.

cheers!
godo


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On Jun 6, 2006, at 8:42 AM, [email protected] wrote:

> As for the Bummer as a tour vehicle, truth is, one of those small  
> school
> buses gets better miles per gallon (about 15mpg for a gas version)  
> than a
> regular length Bummer (which they also have in other photos), I can't
> imagine the horrible mileage the limo version gets in contrast - so if
> they are aiming for effectiveness and sustainability, there are better
> choices for transportation. It is not like there is any free fuel,  
> even
> if it is "renewable" - there are environmental issues with any form of
> energy, even hydrogen if not stored properly, can damage the ozone  
> layer
> if it gets released in that form. And generally hydrogen fuel uses
> hydrocarbons to produce, although any energy input could be used, but
> even if they produce it using solar, solar panels still take energy to
> produce and have a limited lifespan.
>
> And tell me if I'm wrong, but doesn't burning veggie oil (a  
> hydrocarbon,
> which their website mentions as a fuel they use as well as  
> hydrogen) also
> produce CO2 and contribute to global warming - a bigger issue than
> running out of oil if you ask me - and yes, it is current carbon  
> rather
> than fossil fuel, but that still doesn't mean it should be used
> wastefully. Just because they have renewable energy is not a reason to
> take the "we're wasteful Americans, aren't we hip?" attitude,  
> because it
> is that attitude that got us into the mess in the first place. I don't
> think one can be sustainable and wasteful at the same time - kind of a
> contradiction there...
>
> What they are doing with their household water seems really cool, good
> stuff for the rest of us to copy, and they say they grow their own  
> food
> too (but as someone who grows food I have no idea how they have so  
> much
> time or energy for _yoga_! or doing that thing where they look like  
> they
> are hanging out in trash bags full of dye on the "health" page - is
> _that_ sustainable? What on earth _is_ that?), but maybe there is a
> feeling of entitlement that comes along with such a success, ahh,
> entitlement, another tough one...
>
> Laurie
>
> On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:17:16 -0700 "Kit" <[email protected]>  
> writes:
>> Hmmm,
>>
>> Do I smell some elitist snobbery going on here?!     While these are
>> obviously not folks I'd hang with....not in a million years.   Nor
>> do I share their taste in architecture....what's with the
>> put-down?!!!        Why aren't all types welcome in the endeavor?
>> Do y'all want to 'own' sustainablity and only let people you
>> think are hip to your singular vision to 'join' in.
>>
>> Not sure about that Hummer.....but it's got to be some sort of tour
>> vehicle, no?    I'll give them the benefit of the doubt....and it's
>> not running on hydrocarbon.
>>
>> As far as I see it .....I'll be screwed anyway til people with more
>> money than I have start using the tech and bring the prices down.
>> That's just the way it is....unless
>> you can build it yourself.
>>
>> Kit
>>
>>
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: margot garcia
>>   To: [email protected]
>>   Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 5:59 PM
>>   Subject: Re: [Ecobal]sustainable living
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   i agree...the blonde bimbo breathlessly claiming to value
>> sustainability and natural lifestyle while sporting
>> industrial-strength make up reminiscent of tami faye bakker
>> certainly challenges one's patience...the website looks like a new
>> age version of jane and tarzan...may we envision and create a
>> genuinely healthy and humane sustainable future...margot/boston
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>     From:  Lloyd Chittenden <[email protected]>
>>     Reply-To:  <[email protected]>
>>     To:  [email protected]
>>     Subject:  Re: [Ecobal]sustainable living
>>     Date:  Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:59:45 -0700
>>> forest wrote:
>>>
>>>> last nite on coast to coast radio i heard some info about this
>>
>>>> group trying
>>>> to create a more sustainable earth in all various ways at low
>> cost
>>>> and was
>>>> quite inspired by their rap and progress....so, i wanted to
>> share
>>>> their
>>>> website....   http://www.worldsnest.com/html/solar.html
>> aloha,
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I heard this show as well and it sounded very cool.  I checked
>> out
>>> the web site, and it is really weird.  I found the web site
>> very
>>> off-putting.  That's nice that their house produces the fuel
>> that
>>> runs their enormous stretch Hummer limousine.  I think it is
>> more
>>> telling that they have an enormous stretch Hummer limousine.
>> This
>>> is the kind of sustainability that the super rich can have, I
>> don't
>>> see what value it has for the rest of us.  That house must have
>> cost
>>> at least ten million dollars.  Barbara Streisand will probably
>> get a
>>> house like that, the rest of us are still screwed.  It's not
>> clear
>>> from the web site what they are doing besides building their
>> own
>>> sustainable mansion, not that there is anything wrong with that
>> (I
>>> would do it too, if I had the money), but I don't see what good
>> it
>>> does for the rest of us.  I'm really not sure what to make of
>> these
>>> people.
>>>
>>> Lloyd Chittenden
>>>
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to global warming</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR =
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comments!</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>vegetable oil, or other =
forms of biodiesel, need not contribute to global climate change, if =
they are sustainably produced, as all the carbon contained in the oil =
was recently captured from the atmosphere, leaving a net zero carbon =
balance.</DIV><DIV><BR class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>the =
question then is how much energy was used to create the veggie =
oil.</DIV><DIV><BR class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>the =
department of energy estimates that biodiesel currently reduces co2 =
emissions by 78% compared to fossil fuel diesel, which is not bad at =
all, I think.</DIV><DIV><BR class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>a=
 bigger issue may be the amount of land required to produce all that =
biodiesel: 4 times the arable land in the US. Cellulosic ethanol may =
only require as "little" as a 20th or so of the US arable land, =
according to a "Wired" article, based on today's inefficient fuel =
use.</DIV><DIV><BR class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>reducing =
the car's fuel need in the first place is the most environmentally =
friendly, and probably cheapest, way to reduce emissions.</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>this is where the criticism =
of the hummer comes in; if you were to run it on biodiesel, it still =
produces as much CO2 as a fossil-fuel run Prius or Insight, which is 4 =
times more efficient.</DIV><DIV><BR =
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wrote:</DIV><BR class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">As for the Bummer as a tour =
vehicle, truth is, one of those small school</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">buses gets better miles per gallon (about 15mpg for =
a gas version) than a</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">regular length Bummer =
(which they also have in other photos), I can't</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">imagine the horrible mileage the limo version gets =
in contrast - so if</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">they are aiming for =
effectiveness and sustainability, there are better</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">choices for transportation. It is not like there is =
any free fuel, even</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">if it is "renewable" - =
there are environmental issues with any form of</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">energy, even hydrogen if not stored properly, can =
damage the ozone layer</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">if it gets released in that =
form. And generally hydrogen fuel uses</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">hydrocarbons to produce, although any energy input could be used, =
but</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">even if they produce it using =
solar, solar panels still take energy to</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">produce =
and have a limited lifespan.<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">And tell me =
if I'm wrong, but doesn't burning veggie oil (a hydrocarbon,</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">which their website mentions as a fuel they use as =
well as hydrogen) also</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">produce CO2 and contribute =
to global warming - a bigger issue than</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">running =
out of oil if you ask me - and yes, it is current carbon =
rather</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">than fossil fuel, but that still =
doesn't mean it should be used</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">wastefully. =
Just because they have renewable energy is not a reason to</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">take the "we're wasteful Americans, aren't we hip?" =
attitude, because it</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">is that attitude that got =
us into the mess in the first place. I don't</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">think one can be sustainable and wasteful at the =
same time - kind of a</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">contradiction =
there...</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">What they are doing with their household water seems =
really cool, good</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">stuff for the rest of us to =
copy, and they say they grow their own food</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top:=
 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">too =
(but as someone who grows food I have no idea how they have so =
much</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">time or energy for _yoga_! or =
doing that thing where they look like they</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">are =
hanging out in trash bags full of dye on the "health" page - =
is</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: =
0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_that_ sustainable? What on earth _is_ that?), =
but maybe there is a</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">feeling of entitlement that =
comes along with such a success, ahh,</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">entitlement, another tough one...</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
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14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Laurie</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Mon, =
5 Jun 2006 22:17:16 -0700 "Kit" &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A>&gt; =
writes:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Hmmm,<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Do I smell =
some elitist snobbery going on here?! <SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =A0 </SPAN>While these are<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">obviously not folks I'd hang with....not in a million years. <SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>Nor<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">do I =
share their taste in architecture....what's with the<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">put-down?!!!<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
</SPAN>Why aren't all types welcome in the endeavor? <SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Do y'all want to 'own' sustainablity and only let =
people you<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">think are hip to your singular vision to 'join' =
in.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =A0 =A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Not sure =
about that Hummer.....but it's got to be some sort of tour<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">vehicle, =
no?<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =A0 </SPAN>I'll give them =
the benefit of the doubt....and it's<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">not =
running on hydrocarbon.<SPAN =
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0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">As far as I =
see it .....I'll be screwed anyway til people with more<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">money =
than I have start using the tech and bring the prices down.<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">That's just the way it is....unless<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">you can =
build it yourself.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><D=
IV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Kit<SPAN =
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14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>----- Original Message =
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</SPAN>From: margot garcia<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>To: <A =
href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]=
e.org</A><SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
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</SPAN>Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 5:59 PM</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>Subject: Re: =
[Ecobal]sustainable living</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>i =
agree...the blonde bimbo breathlessly claiming to value<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">sustainability and natural lifestyle while sporting<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">industrial-strength make up reminiscent of tami faye bakker<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">certainly challenges one's patience...the website looks like a =
new<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">age version of jane and tarzan...may we envision and =
create a<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">genuinely healthy and humane sustainable =
future...margot/boston</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; =
"><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
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margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
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min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><BR></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: =
0px; margin-left: 0px; ">---</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =A0 </SPAN>From:<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>Lloyd Chittenden &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A>&=
gt;</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =A0 </SPAN>Reply-To:<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>&lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]=
e.org</A>&gt;</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =A0 </SPAN>To:<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN><A =
href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]=
e.org</A></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =A0 </SPAN>Subject:<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>Re: [Ecobal]sustainable =
living</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =A0 </SPAN>Date:<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:59:45 =
-0700</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">forest =
wrote:</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> =
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">last nite on coast to coast =
radio i heard some info about this<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV> =
</BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; =
"><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">group trying</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">to create a =
more sustainable earth in all various ways at low<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV> =
</BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">cost<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite"><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">and =
was</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">quite inspired by their rap and =
progress....so, i wanted to<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV> =
</BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">share<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite"><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">their</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">website.... <SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN><A =
href=3D"http://www.worldsnest.com/html/solar.html">http://www.worldsnest.c=
om/html/solar.html</A> <SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =
=A0</SPAN></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">aloha,</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I heard =
this show as well and it sounded very cool.<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>I checked<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">out<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">the web site, and it is really =
weird.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>I found the web =
site<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV> =
</BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">very<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">off-putting.<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>That's nice that their house =
produces the fuel<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV> =
</BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">that<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">runs their enormous stretch =
Hummer limousine.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>I =
think it is<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV> =
</BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">more<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">telling that they have an =
enormous stretch Hummer limousine. <SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">This<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">is the kind of sustainability =
that the super rich can have, I<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">don't<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">see what value it has for the =
rest of us.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>That house =
must have<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV> =
</BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">cost<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">at least ten million =
dollars.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>Barbara =
Streisand will probably<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">get a<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">house like that, the rest of us =
are still screwed.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>It's =
not<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV> =
</BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">clear<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">from the web site what they are =
doing besides building their<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">own<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">sustainable mansion, not that =
there is anything wrong with that<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">(I<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DI=
V> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">would do it =
too, if I had the money), but I don't see what good<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">it<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DI=
V> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">does for the =
rest of us.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>I'm really =
not sure what to make of<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">these<SPAN =
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type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">people.</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Lloyd =
Chittenden</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
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