Re: sustainable living

Yes....you make good points.

My main point (not addressed) is that if someone (whoever) is making the 
attempt, is there a need to
attack their appearances because they do not abide by a narrow definition of 
how
this tech should present itself.

These folks were offering a via .......thank goodness, the scientists and 
those able to test, build and  implement
these sytems weren't so judgemental.

I also have a knee-jerk reaction to Hummers ("Bummer" that's a good one)... 
of
everthing I saw on the site that made me wince the most....   (I couldn't 
open the
Health link.)     If they've got some misguided notions .....maybe they'll 
learn over time.

I'm not sure what your talking about with "entitlements" since it's not 
usually used
in this context.     But, if there are some sour grapes about people with 
money.....
welcome to Amerika!!!       The fascist/capitalist status quo is not going 
to be givin' it up
anytime soon.     I'm glad to see some USD going to green tech.    Right now 
it's only going
to be happenin'  from the bottom up.....

Kit








----- Original Message ----- 
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Ecobal]sustainable living


> As for the Bummer as a tour vehicle, truth is, one of those small school
> buses gets better miles per gallon (about 15mpg for a gas version) than a
> regular length Bummer (which they also have in other photos), I can't
> imagine the horrible mileage the limo version gets in contrast - so if
> they are aiming for effectiveness and sustainability, there are better
> choices for transportation. It is not like there is any free fuel, even
> if it is "renewable" - there are environmental issues with any form of
> energy, even hydrogen if not stored properly, can damage the ozone layer
> if it gets released in that form. And generally hydrogen fuel uses
> hydrocarbons to produce, although any energy input could be used, but
> even if they produce it using solar, solar panels still take energy to
> produce and have a limited lifespan.
>
> And tell me if I'm wrong, but doesn't burning veggie oil (a hydrocarbon,
> which their website mentions as a fuel they use as well as hydrogen) also
> produce CO2 and contribute to global warming - a bigger issue than
> running out of oil if you ask me - and yes, it is current carbon rather
> than fossil fuel, but that still doesn't mean it should be used
> wastefully. Just because they have renewable energy is not a reason to
> take the "we're wasteful Americans, aren't we hip?" attitude, because it
> is that attitude that got us into the mess in the first place. I don't
> think one can be sustainable and wasteful at the same time - kind of a
> contradiction there...
>
> What they are doing with their household water seems really cool, good
> stuff for the rest of us to copy, and they say they grow their own food
> too (but as someone who grows food I have no idea how they have so much
> time or energy for _yoga_! or doing that thing where they look like they
> are hanging out in trash bags full of dye on the "health" page - is
> _that_ sustainable? What on earth _is_ that?), but maybe there is a
> feeling of entitlement that comes along with such a success, ahh,
> entitlement, another tough one...
>
> Laurie
>
> On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:17:16 -0700 "Kit" <[email protected]> writes:
>> Hmmm,
>>
>> Do I smell some elitist snobbery going on here?!     While these are
>> obviously not folks I'd hang with....not in a million years.   Nor
>> do I share their taste in architecture....what's with the
>> put-down?!!!        Why aren't all types welcome in the endeavor?
>> Do y'all want to 'own' sustainablity and only let people you
>> think are hip to your singular vision to 'join' in.
>>
>> Not sure about that Hummer.....but it's got to be some sort of tour
>> vehicle, no?    I'll give them the benefit of the doubt....and it's
>> not running on hydrocarbon.
>>
>> As far as I see it .....I'll be screwed anyway til people with more
>> money than I have start using the tech and bring the prices down.
>> That's just the way it is....unless
>> you can build it yourself.
>>
>> Kit
>>
>>
>>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>>   From: margot garcia
>>   To: [email protected]
>>   Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 5:59 PM
>>   Subject: Re: [Ecobal]sustainable living
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   i agree...the blonde bimbo breathlessly claiming to value
>> sustainability and natural lifestyle while sporting
>> industrial-strength make up reminiscent of tami faye bakker
>> certainly challenges one's patience...the website looks like a new
>> age version of jane and tarzan...may we envision and create a
>> genuinely healthy and humane sustainable future...margot/boston
>>


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