Re: Use of <q> within <rs>

Lou: I was thinking that the use of rs looked a little long here, too, but
might make sense in the project. But <rs> with an @type set to "findspot"
seems a lot more precise than to use an <ab> (anonymous block, or "any
arbitrary component-level unit of text"). I can see how an archaeology
project would want to look at referring strings of text associated with
location.

But even if rs is usually something of a shorter phrase, why shouldn't it
contain quoted material? So, for example, what about:

<rs>The town <quote>formerly known as Princeton</quote></rs>?

We can't simultaneously indicated quotation from another source, or the
presence of quotation marks (with <q>) in this. Come to think of it, one of
my student project-teams ran into this problem last year in coding a series
of newspaper articles with quoted dialogue.

Elisa

On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Lou Burnard <[email protected]>
wrote:

> I think this is quite a strange use of <rs> : the phrases you quote are
> some way away from things like "the village" or "over there" or even "The
> town formerly known as Princeton", in that though they do refer to a
> location, they don't really name it. So (in the absence of a specific
> <findspot> element) I think I'd argue for using an <ab> here, with an
> appropriate type i.e. <ab type="findspot">. In which case <q> and indeed
> <rs> would all be unequivocally available.
>
>
>
>
>  On 30/10/16 16:47, Elisa Beshero-Bondar wrote:
>
> Hello, Scott--
> I was a little surprised to find that <rs> couldn't contain either a <q>
> or (perhaps more precisely here) a <quote> element, but that's so. I
> imagine this is because <rs> is thought to be sitting below the level of
> the quotation marks. As defined in Chapter 3 of the Guidelines, rs
> (referring string) is a "a phrase which refers to some person, place,
> object, etc." So the question is, are your examples of <rs> holding a
> little too much, and should they be sitting inside the <q> elements? In
> your first example, maybe, but in your second example, clearly not--we'd be
> losing referential information about your findspot if we wrapped only
> chalet in the rs.
>
> This is perhaps a good opportunity for a ticket to permit <q> and <quote>
> inside <rs>. What do others think? I'm happy to take this to my colleagues
> on Council.
>
> Best,
> Elisa
>
> On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 12:24 PM, Scott Vanderbilt (TEI-L) <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Is there any particular reason why <q> is not permitted within <rs>?
>>
>> I am attempting to mark-up archaeological findspots that occasionally
>> quote from another text, e.g.:
>>
>>    <rs type="findspot">said to have been found <q>5 km from centre
>>    [of <placeName>Bath</placeName>], near a quarry near a villa</q></rs>
>>
>> and
>>
>>    <rs type="findspot">in excavation, re-used in a fourth-century
>>    <q>chalet</q></rs>
>>
>> However, <rs> does not permit such usage of <q> (or <quote> for that
>> matter), notwithstanding its being defined as "a _general purpose_ name or
>> referring string".
>>
>> Is there some other sanctioned method of accomplishing my goal of
>> distinguishing the quoted text from the passages within which they appear?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD
> Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English
> University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division
> 150 Finoli Drive
> Greensburg, PA  15601  USA
> E-mail: [email protected] <[email protected]>
> Development site: http://newtfire.org
>
>
>


-- 
Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD
Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English
University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division
150 Finoli Drive
Greensburg, PA  15601  USA
E-mail: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Development site: http://newtfire.org