Re: transcription from handwritten text

Hi Martin,

this question is really hard to answer without any insights into your
project and no facsimile files on hand.
There would be a prize for transcription and tagging (per 1000
characters) and a prize for project management and quality assurance.
Both depend on many aspects. To name a few: What kind of handwriting is
it? Are the facsimile scans showing a sufficient resolution? Are there
any pages already transcribed and approved by experts, that could serve
as a pattern? What level of encoding are you aiming for? Could you
deliver a schema and an ODD? And last but not least, how many pages are
there to work on in total (if there ist a bigger amount, the prize could
be cut down)

But please feel free to send some example files and some further
information, I will be happy to have a closer look and let my team do
some tests.

Many thanks and best regards,
Martina

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textloop Martina Gödel
[email protected]
www.textloop.de


Am 28.01.2017 um 02:30 schrieb Martin Mueller:
> Very interesting. What is the cost per page or per 1,000 words?
> Martin Mueller
> Professor emeritus of English and Classics
> Northwestern University
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> On 1/27/17, 18:37, "TEI (Text Encoding Initiative) public discussion list
> on behalf of Christian Thomas" <[email protected] on behalf of
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> Am 27.01.2017 um 21:47 schrieb Paul Schaffner:
>>> Has anyone used an outside firm or agency to transcribe and apply
>>> markup to modern handwritten text? Or can recommend any capable
>>> of doing so accurately?
>> thanks for your question, like you, I would be very interested if other
>> people would have tried that,! I had the expression it was not very
>> common, but should be considered as an option more often. Anyway, I can
>> really recommend it.
>>
>> In the Hidden Kosmos project
>> (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.culture.hu-2Dberl
>> in.de_hidden-2Dkosmos&d=CwIFaQ&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6
>> ws&r=rG8zxOdssqSzDRz4x1GLlmLOW60xyVXydxwnJZpkxbk&m=uDKuXlOiWWznAEkE-C47OFU
>> 1W8Ie0JL5ntKbgbzMTA8&s=70KPpK8fY79z6CyYsMx9v0OaCy8Sfyi1ThRxEk8rmck&e= )
>> we worked together with
>> a vendor, textloop (cf.
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__textloop.de_&d=CwIFaQ&
>> c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=rG8zxOdssqSzDRz4x1GLlmLOW6
>> 0xyVXydxwnJZpkxbk&m=uDKuXlOiWWznAEkE-C47OFU1W8Ie0JL5ntKbgbzMTA8&s=t6civJ2d
>> xEJcwYVrHuox-Ta70wgRrMS3YV9PZRcBgbE&e=  and
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__textloop.de_kosmos_&d=
>> CwIFaQ&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=rG8zxOdssqSzDRz4x1G
>> LlmLOW60xyVXydxwnJZpkxbk&m=uDKuXlOiWWznAEkE-C47OFU1W8Ie0JL5ntKbgbzMTA8&s=N
>> t41_t2tCqNx6q3IBLPWvEbrjRxk9Ac9SIly4j6S6Y8&e= ), to transcribe 19th cent.
>> handwritten text. 
>> The vendor transcribed and annotated a total of ca. 2500 mansucript
>> pages in record time and with outstanding accuracy. They delivered
>> full-blown TEI accordung to specifications developed based on the DTA
>> Base Format (DTABf,
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.deutschestextarchi
>> v.de_doku_basisformat&d=CwIFaQ&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6
>> ws&r=rG8zxOdssqSzDRz4x1GLlmLOW60xyVXydxwnJZpkxbk&m=uDKuXlOiWWznAEkE-C47OFU
>> 1W8Ie0JL5ntKbgbzMTA8&s=JImmJunj6jL-qp47pCgFkt3f9_omnjs3a1qfB7e_Pbc&e= )
>> with some additional tags specific to handwritten texts like additions,
>> deletions, etc. Susanne Haaf from the DTA presented some of these
>> aspects at the TEI-MM 2015 in Lyon, and there is an upcoming paper on
>> the DTABf for manuscripts to appear in the jTEI.
>>
>> You can see the results of textloop's work here in the Deutsches
>> Textarchiv collection, and that way you also get an impression of the
>> difficulty of the manuscripts. These are different student's notebooks
>> documenting Alexander von Humboldts famous Kosmos-Lectures (1827/28).
>> textloop transcribed these five notebooks:
>>
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.deutschestextarchi
>> v.de_patzig-5Fmsgermfol841842-5F1828&d=CwIFaQ&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7
>> rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=rG8zxOdssqSzDRz4x1GLlmLOW60xyVXydxwnJZpkxbk&m=uDKuXlOi
>> WWznAEkE-C47OFU1W8Ie0JL5ntKbgbzMTA8&s=6-Xy8A6Z0ZM1Rnc89qDRMN4Oq1tlEieIiJIr
>> 4aL5chA&e= 
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.deutschestextarchi
>> v.de_libelt-5Fhs6623ii-5F1828&d=CwIFaQ&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d
>> 012z2PA6ws&r=rG8zxOdssqSzDRz4x1GLlmLOW60xyVXydxwnJZpkxbk&m=uDKuXlOiWWznAEk
>> E-C47OFU1W8Ie0JL5ntKbgbzMTA8&s=eq-b0XC24YqiNbThcfB6L8Ovm-IFm_hmaH9D8tRWIy0
>> &e= 
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.deutschestextarchi
>> v.de_nn-5Foktavgfeo79-5F1828&d=CwIFaQ&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d0
>> 12z2PA6ws&r=rG8zxOdssqSzDRz4x1GLlmLOW60xyVXydxwnJZpkxbk&m=uDKuXlOiWWznAEkE
>> -C47OFU1W8Ie0JL5ntKbgbzMTA8&s=wPuw4RYS3rsEnJbuqy6jcwLse4Wr-s2seRMPDHhrKe4&
>> e= 
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.deutschestextarchi
>> v.de_nn-5Fn0171w1-5F1828&d=CwIFaQ&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2
>> PA6ws&r=rG8zxOdssqSzDRz4x1GLlmLOW60xyVXydxwnJZpkxbk&m=uDKuXlOiWWznAEkE-C47
>> OFU1W8Ie0JL5ntKbgbzMTA8&s=hEA8lvcVjobdGJsr5g_j3sdnZgHwzBQKcEiyDoK-Bh4&e=
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.deutschestextarchi
>> v.de_parthey-5Fmsgermqu1711-5F1828&d=CwIFaQ&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rt
>> NXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=rG8zxOdssqSzDRz4x1GLlmLOW60xyVXydxwnJZpkxbk&m=uDKuXlOiWW
>> znAEkE-C47OFU1W8Ie0JL5ntKbgbzMTA8&s=j8Y98nnarmelSK6icqInhonMJEtDcSXhvdJAeS
>> zJ85g&e= 
>>
>> It was ideal for us to work with a vendor for this project since we
>> could focus on meticulous quality assurance, deeper annotation,
>> cross-linking the documents, identifying scribes, tagging <persName>s
>> and many other things that we would never have gotten round to if we
>> would have had to transcribe the manuscripts ourselves. I am sure
>> Martina Goedel from textloop will be happy to tell you more about how
>> she organised her work and what this experience was like for her --
>> since transcribing manuscripts (and not prints) via vendor still seems
>> to be unusual and, in the Hidden Kosmos project, was a 'first' for both
>> sides.
>>
>> Again, I'd be very interested to hear if others have experience with
>> that workflow. Also, Paul, I'd be interested to see what the manuscripts
>> you consider to have keyed by a vendor look like and, of course, am
>> curious if this works out for you.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Christian
>>
>>
>> Christian Thomas
>> Hidden Kosmos: Reconstructing A. v. Humboldt¹s »Kosmos-Lectures«
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.culture.hu-2Dberli
>> n.de_hidden-2Dkosmos&d=CwIFaQ&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6w
>> s&r=rG8zxOdssqSzDRz4x1GLlmLOW60xyVXydxwnJZpkxbk&m=uDKuXlOiWWznAEkE-C47OFU1
>> W8Ie0JL5ntKbgbzMTA8&s=70KPpK8fY79z6CyYsMx9v0OaCy8Sfyi1ThRxEk8rmck&e=
>>
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>>> (This is a bit off-topic, so you may want to reply off-list.)
>>>
>>> Paul