Re: seg and interp
Elisa Beshero-Bondar <[email protected]> Fri, 5 May 2017 16:09:35 -0400
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--001a113d7f121e6f2b054ecc7939 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've opened a ticket here: https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues/1640 and will quickly make the wording change now since it seems uncontroversial. I'll leave the ticket open, though, in case we'd like to work on more examples of common practice. Elisa On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Elisa Beshero-Bondar <[email protected]> wrote: > Ahh, thanks--and yes, a revision there would make the usage clearer and > also consistent with our definition of classDecl. I shall open the ticket > forthwith. > > Elisa > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:57 PM, Lou Burnard <[email protected]= > > wrote: > >> I think Roberto is referring to (quotes from) the following passage at >> the start of 2.3.7 >> >> <div type=3D"div3" xml:id=3D"HD55"><head>The Classification Declaration<= /head> >> <p>The <gi>classDecl</gi> element is used to group >> together definitions or sources for any descriptive classification >> schemes used by other parts of the header. Each such scheme is >> represented by a <gi>taxonomy</gi> element... >> >> As I said in my reply, which you may have missed, all that is necessary >> is to add "or elsewhere in the document" at the end of the first sentenc= e. >> >> >> >> >> On 05/05/17 19:03, Elisa Beshero-Bondar wrote: >> >> PS: I may have mis-read Roberto's last post now that I look at it again. >> At any rate, the confusion seems to be where the *referents* to a taxono= my >> can be marked. Given that the Guidelines make clear exactly where a >> taxonomy element is to be placed in the teiHeader, and that the classDec= l >> in which a taxonomy appears is described as above "defining any >> classificatory codes used elsewhere in the text", I think the Guidelines >> are pretty clear and I'm not sure where we ought to make a revision. >> >> * Perhaps it would be helpful, though, to include examples of material >> that points to a classDecl taxonomy from within a document. >> * For those of us who like putting our classificatory schemes for large >> projects in their own distinct files, perhaps we could use an example th= at >> demonstrates use of a taxonomy in its own separate file, to which other >> project files refer. >> >> Are these worth adding to the Guidelines? >> >> Elisa >> >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 1:56 PM, Elisa Beshero-Bondar <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone-- >>> I was about to go and open a ticket on this, but I'm pausing for a >>> moment because I don't think it's necessary. I think Roberto was asking >>> whether taxonomy element can be used within the text element of the TEI= , >>> and indeed it can't. It's a child either of taxonomy or of classDecl, w= hich >>> means that it's part of the teiHeader. But I think what we're all tryin= g to >>> clarify here is that the referents to a taxonomy ARE marked within the = text >>> elements of other documents. >>> >>> I'd point out that our explanation of classDecl is pretty clear: >>> http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-classDecl.html >>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.= tei-c.org%2Frelease%2Fdoc%2Ftei-p5-doc%2Fen%2Fhtml%2Fref-classDecl.html&dat= a=3D01%7C01%7Cebb8%40PITT.EDU%7Cd399b8e76cf845d9cb6608d493f0fbf8%7C9ef9f489= e0a04eeb87cc3a526112fd0d%7C1&sdata=3DwlWzEtMm5qNnxlsTdbe%2FfpkcsG7lh8nfxTHS= lXmJxoc%3D&reserved=3D0> >>> >>> <classDecl> (classification declarations) contains one or more >>> taxonomies *defining any classificatory codes used elsewhere in the >>> text.* >>> >>> I think we have this covered? >>> >>> Best, >>> Elisa >>> >>> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Martin Holmes <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2017-05-05 06:54 AM, James Cummings wrote: >>>> >>>> I would point to the second example on: >>>>> http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-taxonomy.html >>>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fww= w.tei-c.org%2Frelease%2Fdoc%2Ftei-p5-doc%2Fen%2Fhtml%2Fref-taxonomy.html&da= ta=3D01%7C01%7Cebb8%40PITT.EDU%7Cd399b8e76cf845d9cb6608d493f0fbf8%7C9ef9f48= 9e0a04eeb87cc3a526112fd0d%7C1&sdata=3DLvJdhppaz2dRX5ZAKu%2FR8ZTr5zKYBtJ2lVx= dVpSkVpo%3D&reserved=3D0> >>>>> which indicates pointing to a taxonomy from an <lg>. My recollection >>>>> was this example was added by council specifically to indicate this >>>>> kind >>>>> of usage. However, they appear to have overlooked <classDecl> needin= g >>>>> a >>>>> slight rephrasing. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I think that's my example; I remember adding it when we updated the >>>> specs to allow <taxonomy> to nest. I never thought to look at the word= ing >>>> of <classDecl>. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Martin >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD >>> Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English >>> University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division >>> 150 Finoli Drive >>> Greensburg, PA 15601 USA >>> E-mail: [email protected] <[email protected]> >>> Development site: http://newtfire.org >>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fnewt= fire.org%2F&data=3D01%7C01%7Cebb8%40PITT.EDU%7Cd399b8e76cf845d9cb6608d493f0= fbf8%7C9ef9f489e0a04eeb87cc3a526112fd0d%7C1&sdata=3D4dlbn72sp39CC8GwrzIOFz9= 9bCW7S%2FpOQDV6T3S%2B8L8%3D&reserved=3D0> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD >> Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English >> University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division >> 150 Finoli Drive >> Greensburg, PA 15601 USA >> E-mail: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> Development site: http://newtfire.org >> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fnewtf= ire.org%2F&data=3D01%7C01%7Cebb8%40PITT.EDU%7Cd399b8e76cf845d9cb6608d493f0f= bf8%7C9ef9f489e0a04eeb87cc3a526112fd0d%7C1&sdata=3D4dlbn72sp39CC8GwrzIOFz99= bCW7S%2FpOQDV6T3S%2B8L8%3D&reserved=3D0> >> >> >> > > > -- > Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD > Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English > University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division > 150 Finoli Drive > Greensburg, PA 15601 USA > E-mail: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Development site: http://newtfire.org > --=20 Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division 150 Finoli Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: [email protected] <[email protected]> Development site: http://newtfire.org --001a113d7f121e6f2b054ecc7939 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">I've opened a ticket here:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://git= hub.com/TEIC/TEI/issues/1640">https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues/1640</a> a= nd will quickly make the wording change now since it seems uncontroversial.= I'll leave the ticket open, though, in case we'd like to work on m= ore examples of common practice.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Elisa</div></div>= <div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, May 5, 20= 17 at 4:01 PM, Elisa Beshero-Bondar <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto= :[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br><b= lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px = #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Ahh, thanks--and yes, a revis= ion there would make the usage clearer and also consistent with our definit= ion of classDecl. I shall open the ticket forthwith.=C2=A0<span class=3D"HO= EnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><div><br></div><div>Elisa</div></font></span>= </div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><b= r><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:57 PM, Lou Burnard <s= pan dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target= =3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquo= te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc so= lid;padding-left:1ex"> =20 =20 =20 <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000"> <div class=3D"m_2071599986651570688m_-152312248499641528moz-cite-prefix= ">I think Roberto is referring to (quotes from) the following passage at the start of 2.3.7<br> <br> <div type=3D"div3" xml:id=3D"HD55"><head= >The Classification Declaration</head><br> <p>The <gi>classDecl</gi> element is used to group<span><br> together definitions or sources for any descriptive classification<br= ></span> schemes used by other parts of the header.=C2=A0 Each such scheme is<= br> represented by a <gi>taxonomy</gi> element...<br> <br> As I said in my reply, which you may have missed, all that is necessary is to add "or elsewhere in the document" at the e= nd of the first sentence.<div><div class=3D"m_2071599986651570688h5"><br> <br> <br> <br> On 05/05/17 19:03, Elisa Beshero-Bondar wrote:<br> </div></div></div><div><div class=3D"m_2071599986651570688h5"> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> =20 <div dir=3D"ltr">PS: I may have mis-read Roberto's last post now that I look at it again. At any rate, the confusion seems to be where the *referents* to a taxonomy can be marked. Given that the Guidelines make clear exactly where a taxonomy element is to be placed in the teiHeader, and that the classDecl in which a taxonomy appears is described as above "defining any classificatory codes used elsewhere in the text", I think the Guidelines are pretty clear and I'm not sure where we ought to make a revision. <div><br> </div> <div>* Perhaps it would be helpful, though, to include examples of material that points to a classDecl taxonomy from within a document.</div> <div>* =C2=A0For those of us who like putting our classificatory schemes for large projects in their own distinct files, perhaps we could use an example that demonstrates use of a taxonomy in its own separate file, to which other project files refer.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Are these worth adding to the Guidelines?</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Elisa</div> </div> <div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 1:56 PM, Elisa Beshero-Bondar <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:ebb8@pitt.= edu" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord= er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div dir=3D"ltr">Hi everyone--=C2=A0 <div>I was about to go and open a ticket on this, but I'm pausing for a moment because I don't think it's necessary. I think Roberto was asking whether taxonomy element can be used within the text element of the TEI, and indeed it can't. It's a child either of taxonom= y or of classDecl, which means that it's part of the teiHeader. But I think what we're all trying to clarify here is that the referents to a taxonomy ARE marked within the text elements of other documents.=C2=A0</div> <div><br> </div> <div>I'd point out that our explanation of classDecl is pretty clear:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://na01.safelinks.protec= tion.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.tei-c.org%2Frelease%2Fdoc%2Ftei-p5= -doc%2Fen%2Fhtml%2Fref-classDecl.html&data=3D01%7C01%7Cebb8%40PITT.EDU%= 7Cd399b8e76cf845d9cb6608d493f0fbf8%7C9ef9f489e0a04eeb87cc3a526112fd0d%7C1&a= mp;sdata=3DwlWzEtMm5qNnxlsTdbe%2FfpkcsG7lh8nfxTHSlXmJxoc%3D&reserved=3D= 0" target=3D"_blank">http://www.tei-c.org/re<wbr>lease/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/ht= ml/r<wbr>ef-classDecl.html</a> =C2=A0</div> <div><classDecl> (classification declarations) contains one or more taxonomies <b>defining any classificatory codes used elsewhere in the text.</b><br> </div> <div><b><br> </b></div> <div>I think we have this covered?=C2=A0</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Best,</div> <div>Elisa</div> </div> <div class=3D"gmail_extra"> <div> <div class=3D"m_2071599986651570688m_-152312248499641528h5"= ><br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Martin Holmes <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mail= to:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0= .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>On 2017-05-05 06:54 AM, James Cummings wrote:<br> <br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0= 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> I would point to the second example on:<br> <a href=3D"https://na01.safelinks.protection.outl= ook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.tei-c.org%2Frelease%2Fdoc%2Ftei-p5-doc%2Fen= %2Fhtml%2Fref-taxonomy.html&data=3D01%7C01%7Cebb8%40PITT.EDU%7Cd399b8e7= 6cf845d9cb6608d493f0fbf8%7C9ef9f489e0a04eeb87cc3a526112fd0d%7C1&sdata= =3DLvJdhppaz2dRX5ZAKu%2FR8ZTr5zKYBtJ2lVxdVpSkVpo%3D&reserved=3D0" rel= =3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.tei-c.org/release/d<wbr>oc/tei= -p5-doc/en/html/ref-taxo<wbr>nomy.html</a><br> which indicates pointing to a taxonomy from an <lg>.=C2=A0 My recollection<br> was this example was added by council specifically to indicate this kind<br> of usage.=C2=A0 However, they appear to have overlooked <classDecl> needing a<br> slight rephrasing.<br> </blockquote> <br> </span> I think that's my example; I remember adding it when we updated the specs to allow <taxonomy> to nest. I never thought to look at the wording of <classDecl>.<br> <br> Cheers,<br> Martin<br> </blockquote> </div> <br> <br clear=3D"all"> <div><br> </div> </div> </div> <span>-- <br> <div class=3D"m_2071599986651570688m_-152312248499641528m_4= 245917015798001113gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:= 12.8px">Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD</span><br style=3D"colo= r:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px"> <span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.= 8px">Director, Center for the Digital Text |=C2=A0Associat= e Professor of English</span><span style=3D"f= ont-size:12.8px"><br> University of Pittsburgh at=C2=A0Greensburg |=C2=A0Humanities Division<br> 150 Finoli Drive<br> Greensburg, PA =C2=A015601 =C2=A0USA<br> E-mail:<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" sty= le=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a><br> </span><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-s= ize:12.8px">Development site:=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"https://na01.s= afelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fnewtfire.org%2F&dat= a=3D01%7C01%7Cebb8%40PITT.EDU%7Cd399b8e76cf845d9cb6608d493f0fbf8%7C9ef9f489= e0a04eeb87cc3a526112fd0d%7C1&sdata=3D4dlbn72sp39CC8GwrzIOFz99bCW7S%2FpO= QDV6T3S%2B8L8%3D&reserved=3D0" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204);font-size:= 12.8px" target=3D"_blank">http://newtfire.org</a><br> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </span></div> </blockquote> </div> <br> <br clear=3D"all"> <div><br> </div> -- <br> <div class=3D"m_2071599986651570688m_-152312248499641528gmail_signa= ture" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px">= Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,= 0,0);font-size:12.8px"> <span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px">Dir= ector, Center for the Digital Text |=C2=A0Associate Professor of English</span><span style=3D"font-size= :12.8px"><br> University of Pittsburgh at=C2=A0Greensburg |=C2=A0Humanities Division<br> 150 Finoli Drive<br> Greensburg, PA =C2=A015601 =C2=A0USA<br> E-mail:<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" style=3D"co= lor:rgb(17,85,204)" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a><br> </span><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8= px">Development site:=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"https://na01.safelinks= .protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fnewtfire.org%2F&data=3D01%7= C01%7Cebb8%40PITT.EDU%7Cd399b8e76cf845d9cb6608d493f0fbf8%7C9ef9f489e0a04eeb= 87cc3a526112fd0d%7C1&sdata=3D4dlbn72sp39CC8GwrzIOFz99bCW7S%2FpOQDV6T3S%= 2B8L8%3D&reserved=3D0" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204);font-size:12.8px" = target=3D"_blank">http://newtfire.org</a><br> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> <p><br> </p> </div></div></div> </blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class= =3D"m_2071599986651570688gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature= "><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><span s= tyle=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px">Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD</span>= <br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,= 0,0);font-size:12.8px">Director, Center for the Digital Text |=C2=A0Associa= te Professor of English</span><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br>Universi= ty of Pittsburgh at=C2=A0Greensburg |=C2=A0Humanities Division<br>150 Finol= i Drive<br>Greensburg, PA =C2=A015601 =C2=A0USA<br>E-mail:<a href=3D"mailto= :[email protected]" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)" target=3D"_blank">=C2=A0ebb8= @pitt.edu</a><br></span><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px">D= evelopment site:=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://newtfire.org/" style=3D"colo= r:rgb(17,85,204);font-size:12.8px" target=3D"_blank">http://newtfire.org</a= ><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div> </div> </div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br>= <div class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir= =3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><span style=3D"co= lor:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px">Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD</span><br style= =3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font= -size:12.8px">Director, Center for the Digital Text |=C2=A0Associate Profes= sor of English</span><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br>University of Pit= tsburgh at=C2=A0Greensburg |=C2=A0Humanities Division<br>150 Finoli Drive<b= r>Greensburg, PA =C2=A015601 =C2=A0USA<br>E-mail:<a href=3D"mailto:ebb8@pit= t.edu" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]= </a><br></span><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px">Developmen= t site:=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://newtfire.org/" style=3D"color:rgb(17,= 85,204);font-size:12.8px" target=3D"_blank">http://newtfire.org</a><br></di= v></div></div></div></div></div></div> </div> --001a113d7f121e6f2b054ecc7939--