Re: seg and interp
Elisa Beshero-Bondar <[email protected]> Fri, 5 May 2017 16:01:55 -0400
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--001a11408406b3031b054ecc5db7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ahh, thanks--and yes, a revision there would make the usage clearer and also consistent with our definition of classDecl. I shall open the ticket forthwith. Elisa On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:57 PM, Lou Burnard <[email protected]> wrote: > I think Roberto is referring to (quotes from) the following passage at th= e > start of 2.3.7 > > <div type=3D"div3" xml:id=3D"HD55"><head>The Classification Declaration</= head> > <p>The <gi>classDecl</gi> element is used to group > together definitions or sources for any descriptive classification > schemes used by other parts of the header. Each such scheme is > represented by a <gi>taxonomy</gi> element... > > As I said in my reply, which you may have missed, all that is necessary i= s > to add "or elsewhere in the document" at the end of the first sentence. > > > > > On 05/05/17 19:03, Elisa Beshero-Bondar wrote: > > PS: I may have mis-read Roberto's last post now that I look at it again. > At any rate, the confusion seems to be where the *referents* to a taxonom= y > can be marked. Given that the Guidelines make clear exactly where a > taxonomy element is to be placed in the teiHeader, and that the classDecl > in which a taxonomy appears is described as above "defining any > classificatory codes used elsewhere in the text", I think the Guidelines > are pretty clear and I'm not sure where we ought to make a revision. > > * Perhaps it would be helpful, though, to include examples of material > that points to a classDecl taxonomy from within a document. > * For those of us who like putting our classificatory schemes for large > projects in their own distinct files, perhaps we could use an example tha= t > demonstrates use of a taxonomy in its own separate file, to which other > project files refer. > > Are these worth adding to the Guidelines? > > Elisa > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 1:56 PM, Elisa Beshero-Bondar <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi everyone-- >> I was about to go and open a ticket on this, but I'm pausing for a momen= t >> because I don't think it's necessary. I think Roberto was asking whether >> taxonomy element can be used within the text element of the TEI, and ind= eed >> it can't. It's a child either of taxonomy or of classDecl, which means t= hat >> it's part of the teiHeader. But I think what we're all trying to clarify >> here is that the referents to a taxonomy ARE marked within the text >> elements of other documents. >> >> I'd point out that our explanation of classDecl is pretty clear: >> http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-classDecl.html >> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.t= ei-c.org%2Frelease%2Fdoc%2Ftei-p5-doc%2Fen%2Fhtml%2Fref-classDecl.html&data= =3D01%7C01%7Cebb8%40PITT.EDU%7Cd399b8e76cf845d9cb6608d493f0fbf8%7C9ef9f489e= 0a04eeb87cc3a526112fd0d%7C1&sdata=3DwlWzEtMm5qNnxlsTdbe%2FfpkcsG7lh8nfxTHSl= XmJxoc%3D&reserved=3D0> >> >> <classDecl> (classification declarations) contains one or more taxonomie= s *defining >> any classificatory codes used elsewhere in the text.* >> >> I think we have this covered? >> >> Best, >> Elisa >> >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Martin Holmes <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On 2017-05-05 06:54 AM, James Cummings wrote: >>> >>> I would point to the second example on: >>>> http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-taxonomy.html >>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww= .tei-c.org%2Frelease%2Fdoc%2Ftei-p5-doc%2Fen%2Fhtml%2Fref-taxonomy.html&dat= a=3D01%7C01%7Cebb8%40PITT.EDU%7Cd399b8e76cf845d9cb6608d493f0fbf8%7C9ef9f489= e0a04eeb87cc3a526112fd0d%7C1&sdata=3DLvJdhppaz2dRX5ZAKu%2FR8ZTr5zKYBtJ2lVxd= VpSkVpo%3D&reserved=3D0> >>>> which indicates pointing to a taxonomy from an <lg>. My recollection >>>> was this example was added by council specifically to indicate this ki= nd >>>> of usage. However, they appear to have overlooked <classDecl> needing= a >>>> slight rephrasing. >>>> >>> >>> I think that's my example; I remember adding it when we updated the >>> specs to allow <taxonomy> to nest. I never thought to look at the wordi= ng >>> of <classDecl>. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Martin >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD >> Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English >> University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division >> 150 Finoli Drive >> Greensburg, PA 15601 USA >> E-mail: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> Development site: http://newtfire.org >> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fnewtf= ire.org%2F&data=3D01%7C01%7Cebb8%40PITT.EDU%7Cd399b8e76cf845d9cb6608d493f0f= bf8%7C9ef9f489e0a04eeb87cc3a526112fd0d%7C1&sdata=3D4dlbn72sp39CC8GwrzIOFz99= bCW7S%2FpOQDV6T3S%2B8L8%3D&reserved=3D0> >> > > > > -- > Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD > Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English > University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division > 150 Finoli Drive > Greensburg, PA 15601 USA > E-mail: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Development site: http://newtfire.org > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fnewtfi= re.org%2F&data=3D01%7C01%7Cebb8%40PITT.EDU%7Cd399b8e76cf845d9cb6608d493f0fb= f8%7C9ef9f489e0a04eeb87cc3a526112fd0d%7C1&sdata=3D4dlbn72sp39CC8GwrzIOFz99b= CW7S%2FpOQDV6T3S%2B8L8%3D&reserved=3D0> > > > --=20 Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division 150 Finoli Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: [email protected] <[email protected]> Development site: http://newtfire.org --001a11408406b3031b054ecc5db7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">Ahh, thanks--and yes, a revision there would make the usag= e clearer and also consistent with our definition of classDecl. I shall ope= n the ticket forthwith.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Elisa</div></div><div clas= s=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:5= 7 PM, Lou Burnard <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:lou.burnard@retir= ed.ox.ac.uk" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> = wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord= er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> =20 =20 =20 <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000"> <div class=3D"m_-152312248499641528moz-cite-prefix">I think Roberto is = referring to (quotes from) the following passage at the start of 2.3.7<br> <br> <div type=3D"div3" xml:id=3D"HD55"><head= >The Classification Declaration</head><br> <p>The <gi>classDecl</gi> element is used to group<span class=3D""><br> together definitions or sources for any descriptive classification<br= ></span> schemes used by other parts of the header.=C2=A0 Each such scheme is<= br> represented by a <gi>taxonomy</gi> element...<br> <br> As I said in my reply, which you may have missed, all that is necessary is to add "or elsewhere in the document" at the e= nd of the first sentence.<div><div class=3D"h5"><br> <br> <br> <br> On 05/05/17 19:03, Elisa Beshero-Bondar wrote:<br> </div></div></div><div><div class=3D"h5"> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> =20 <div dir=3D"ltr">PS: I may have mis-read Roberto's last post now that I look at it again. At any rate, the confusion seems to be where the *referents* to a taxonomy can be marked. Given that the Guidelines make clear exactly where a taxonomy element is to be placed in the teiHeader, and that the classDecl in which a taxonomy appears is described as above "defining any classificatory codes used elsewhere in the text", I think the Guidelines are pretty clear and I'm not sure where we ought to make a revision. <div><br> </div> <div>* Perhaps it would be helpful, though, to include examples of material that points to a classDecl taxonomy from within a document.</div> <div>* =C2=A0For those of us who like putting our classificatory schemes for large projects in their own distinct files, perhaps we could use an example that demonstrates use of a taxonomy in its own separate file, to which other project files refer.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Are these worth adding to the Guidelines?</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Elisa</div> </div> <div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 1:56 PM, Elisa Beshero-Bondar <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:ebb8@pitt.= edu" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord= er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div dir=3D"ltr">Hi everyone--=C2=A0 <div>I was about to go and open a ticket on this, but I'm pausing for a moment because I don't think it's necessary. I think Roberto was asking whether taxonomy element can be used within the text element of the TEI, and indeed it can't. It's a child either of taxonom= y or of classDecl, which means that it's part of the teiHeader. But I think what we're all trying to clarify here is that the referents to a taxonomy ARE marked within the text elements of other documents.=C2=A0</div> <div><br> </div> <div>I'd point out that our explanation of classDecl is pretty clear:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://na01.safelinks.protec= tion.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.tei-c.org%2Frelease%2Fdoc%2Ftei-p5= -doc%2Fen%2Fhtml%2Fref-classDecl.html&data=3D01%7C01%7Cebb8%40PITT.EDU%= 7Cd399b8e76cf845d9cb6608d493f0fbf8%7C9ef9f489e0a04eeb87cc3a526112fd0d%7C1&a= mp;sdata=3DwlWzEtMm5qNnxlsTdbe%2FfpkcsG7lh8nfxTHSlXmJxoc%3D&reserved=3D= 0" target=3D"_blank">http://www.tei-c.org/re<wbr>lease/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/ht= ml/<wbr>ref-classDecl.html</a> =C2=A0</div> <div><classDecl> (classification declarations) contains one or more taxonomies <b>defining any classificatory codes used elsewhere in the text.</b><br> </div> <div><b><br> </b></div> <div>I think we have this covered?=C2=A0</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Best,</div> <div>Elisa</div> </div> <div class=3D"gmail_extra"> <div> <div class=3D"m_-152312248499641528h5"><br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Martin Holmes <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mail= to:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0= .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>On 2017-05-05 06:54 AM, James Cummings wrote:<br> <br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0= 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> I would point to the second example on:<br> <a href=3D"https://na01.safelinks.protection.outl= ook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.tei-c.org%2Frelease%2Fdoc%2Ftei-p5-doc%2Fen= %2Fhtml%2Fref-taxonomy.html&data=3D01%7C01%7Cebb8%40PITT.EDU%7Cd399b8e7= 6cf845d9cb6608d493f0fbf8%7C9ef9f489e0a04eeb87cc3a526112fd0d%7C1&sdata= =3DLvJdhppaz2dRX5ZAKu%2FR8ZTr5zKYBtJ2lVxdVpSkVpo%3D&reserved=3D0" rel= =3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.tei-c.org/release/d<wbr>oc/tei= -p5-doc/en/html/ref-taxo<wbr>nomy.html</a><br> which indicates pointing to a taxonomy from an <lg>.=C2=A0 My recollection<br> was this example was added by council specifically to indicate this kind<br> of usage.=C2=A0 However, they appear to have overlooked <classDecl> needing a<br> slight rephrasing.<br> </blockquote> <br> </span> I think that's my example; I remember adding it when we updated the specs to allow <taxonomy> to nest. I never thought to look at the wording of <classDecl>.<br> <br> Cheers,<br> Martin<br> </blockquote> </div> <br> <br clear=3D"all"> <div><br> </div> </div> </div> <span>-- <br> <div class=3D"m_-152312248499641528m_4245917015798001113gma= il_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:= 12.8px">Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD</span><br style=3D"colo= r:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px"> <span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.= 8px">Director, Center for the Digital Text |=C2=A0Associat= e Professor of English</span><span style=3D"f= ont-size:12.8px"><br> University of Pittsburgh at=C2=A0Greensburg |=C2=A0Humanities Division<br> 150 Finoli Drive<br> Greensburg, PA =C2=A015601 =C2=A0USA<br> E-mail:<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" sty= le=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a><br> </span><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-s= ize:12.8px">Development site:=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"https://na01.s= afelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fnewtfire.org%2F&dat= a=3D01%7C01%7Cebb8%40PITT.EDU%7Cd399b8e76cf845d9cb6608d493f0fbf8%7C9ef9f489= e0a04eeb87cc3a526112fd0d%7C1&sdata=3D4dlbn72sp39CC8GwrzIOFz99bCW7S%2FpO= QDV6T3S%2B8L8%3D&reserved=3D0" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204);font-size:= 12.8px" target=3D"_blank">http://newtfire.org</a><br> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </span></div> </blockquote> </div> <br> <br clear=3D"all"> <div><br> </div> -- <br> <div class=3D"m_-152312248499641528gmail_signature" data-smartmail= =3D"gmail_signature"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px">= Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,= 0,0);font-size:12.8px"> <span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px">Dir= ector, Center for the Digital Text |=C2=A0Associate Professor of English</span><span style=3D"font-size= :12.8px"><br> University of Pittsburgh at=C2=A0Greensburg |=C2=A0Humanities Division<br> 150 Finoli Drive<br> Greensburg, PA =C2=A015601 =C2=A0USA<br> E-mail:<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" style=3D"co= lor:rgb(17,85,204)" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a><br> </span><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8= px">Development site:=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"https://na01.safelinks= .protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fnewtfire.org%2F&data=3D01%7= C01%7Cebb8%40PITT.EDU%7Cd399b8e76cf845d9cb6608d493f0fbf8%7C9ef9f489e0a04eeb= 87cc3a526112fd0d%7C1&sdata=3D4dlbn72sp39CC8GwrzIOFz99bCW7S%2FpOQDV6T3S%= 2B8L8%3D&reserved=3D0" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204);font-size:12.8px" = target=3D"_blank">http://newtfire.org</a><br> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> <p><br> </p> </div></div></div> </blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class= =3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><d= iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0= ,0);font-size:12.8px">Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD</span><br style=3D"color:rg= b(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px= ">Director, Center for the Digital Text |=C2=A0Associate Professor of Engli= sh</span><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br>University of Pittsburgh at= =C2=A0Greensburg |=C2=A0Humanities Division<br>150 Finoli Drive<br>Greensbu= rg, PA =C2=A015601 =C2=A0USA<br>E-mail:<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" sty= le=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a><br></= span><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px">Development site:=C2= =A0</span><a href=3D"http://newtfire.org/" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204);fo= nt-size:12.8px" target=3D"_blank">http://newtfire.org</a><br></div></div></= div></div></div></div></div> </div> --001a11408406b3031b054ecc5db7--