Re: German sharp S uppercase mapping

On Sun, Dec 1, 2024 at 12:53 PM David Starner <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 1, 2024 at 12:35 PM Markus Scherer via Unicode
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I searched amazon.de for “der große”. Not one capital ẞ on the first
> two pages. Among results on those pages for recent items: “ARTHUR DER
> GROSSE“, “AIR - DER GROSSE WURF“, “DER GROßE WADAS“, “DER GROSSE GOPNIK“,
> “DAS GROSSE BUCH DER GUTEN GEDANKEN“, “DER GROSSE SOMMER“, “DER GROSSE
> YOUTUBER-BEEF“, “DAS GROSSE BUCH DER SELBST REFLEXION“, “DER GROSSE
> SCHLEIMFILM“, “ALEXANDER DER GROSSE“, 2x “DER GROSSE GATSBY“
>
> You searched a digital database that will be displayed on user
> screens, some of which may not have been updated for years and might
> not have new fonts, and who knows when all the bibliographic systems
> have been updated.


I was looking at the *images* of the book and video titles. The images have
no such limitations. (The *text* of the titles rarely uses all caps.)
And I only looked at publications since ca. 2020. Although Daniel has a
point in that publishers may not change their title pages in a new edition
of an older publication.

On the first page of searches for me, I see 14 items; looking at
> titles on cover pictures, two of which are lowercase and one of which,
> "Der große Wadas", uses a ẞ on the cover.


No, that one
<https://www.amazon.de/gro%C3%9Fe-Wadas-Nachschlagewerk-gl%C3%BCckliche-Pflanzen/dp/3499014807/ref=sr_1_9?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=1E7K6AZWCY7O6&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.xye_uuNP7ESXJZZsJzWZI5ioGK7S92OV3of1s2xcRvIx-9v_pL7gdFDbXZTsH5olhs7SKXLTtxOMcyPIdzeQ1oSpEl4EMMgxl3MrSjjwpNRMUr9vIp3CDH9HZpntGZwriOP4MSmqBqB1oli5qo-6_HCK8Q9Wmrq3_r68hIk0lbioclT59i66jD1mxZmmkJYOYN1sJEPbBPFLgeal_kiqFz6XrLrQpvgXFego7zfmXeo.K0GGuD_3vCf6NrCwW19dI0FdCUjWCHNuRbDCrqLTNjA&dib_tag=se&keywords=der+gro%C3%9Fe&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1733088348&sprefix=der+gro%C3%9Fe%2Caps%2C313&sr=8-9>
is clearly a lowercase ß.

Searching Books for Der
> große Gatsby shows 12 or 13 distinct covers, 6 with DER (or Der)
> GROSSE GATSBY on the cover, three with DER (or Der) GROẞE GATSBY, and
> 4 with lowercase titles.


I am only counting recent editions, and only all-caps titles.
For "der große gatsby", I get a sea of SS. There is a lowercase ß
<https://www.amazon.de/gro%C3%9Fe-Gatsby-Gro%C3%9Fe-Schmuckausgabe/dp/3649640953/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2XYRVTC344HP0&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.njm4ftALQyPsb_talPGXQlo5f40PbamuP4ZU0cX2htiRFLYgEzUYD-0t8EmzUjQx96FsV7hWpjhbBXToZpnEr9qKmVYgve4xdL95Ge3ulNUySUvDtXbBoYr3jiZyFB03tKzg71T5J7zmPVm1WpCqJJ1jirYnoHFOSu8Cj9E4Yq8Q2naH8IrHOA5z0Wz3cEoY1MJZPoJrwgArOqQHyCtprKCRgp1Iq57SqDeSyiM-fXw.QDrHbCEvLAtSFWJZr01raefCbUaYMP8N3aY6APQBmqs&dib_tag=se&keywords=der+gro%C3%9Fe+gatsby&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1733088451&sprefix=der+gro%C3%9Fe+g%2Caps%2C573&sr=8-3>,
and another lowercase
<https://www.amazon.de/gro%C3%9Fe-Gatsby-F-Scott-Fitzgerald/dp/B08T6JYFXH/ref=sr_1_12?crid=2XYRVTC344HP0&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.njm4ftALQyPsb_talPGXQlo5f40PbamuP4ZU0cX2htiRFLYgEzUYD-0t8EmzUjQx96FsV7hWpjhbBXToZpnEr9qKmVYgve4xdL95Ge3ulNUySUvDtXbBoYr3jiZyFB03tKzg71T5J7zmPVm1WpCqJJ1jirYnoHFOSu8Cj9E4Yq8Q2naH8IrHOA5z0Wz3cEoY1MJZPoJrwgArOqQHyCtprKCRgp1Iq57SqDeSyiM-fXw.QDrHbCEvLAtSFWJZr01raefCbUaYMP8N3aY6APQBmqs&dib_tag=se&keywords=der+gro%C3%9Fe+gatsby&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1733088451&sprefix=der+gro%C3%9Fe+g%2Caps%2C573&sr=8-12>.
And a third one
<https://www.amazon.de/gro%C3%9Fe-Gatsby-Francis-Scott-Fitzgerald/dp/B0DH6RBHYT/ref=sr_1_19?crid=2XYRVTC344HP0&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.qk8ibgiUn6KXT2eOx7yjgcH84tcnsIcFaFZs3qs3IDvuu0GgkBAv1bmBVFvLrrNa37EJku5FZXRVGLTjsKbqIA.GDIi9s1WMqMgSkN-d_FE8dLzOI_CIZzy2VsUmWD--aQ&dib_tag=se&keywords=der+gro%C3%9Fe+gatsby&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1733088827&sprefix=der+gro%C3%9Fe+g%2Caps%2C573&sr=8-19>
.
Finally, down on the second page, a capital ẞ
<https://www.amazon.de/gro%C3%9Fe-Gatsby-Einfacher-Sprache/dp/3910531016/ref=sr_1_22?crid=2XYRVTC344HP0&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.FOZpoa1_rqc1Yvfa6tpGA_kyYXHUuWzYT1MARIXmb2pzDlNdDdBq_JNHCSrTDvTpD2JwKsqdQLTuSfM6D3YPjrSYKPIb_nEImtywB358k71a0nH27Os5IueBsNwgIqizyP7qAV9lAP3yJgC9hGLLeVdqDwG0BIM_TuVKmdwU0C8.qwOCjSBa0TcaHyMECC2ia-F-3XWXGdgT5dxPsdmhnpA&dib_tag=se&keywords=der+gro%C3%9Fe+gatsby&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1733088827&sprefix=der+gro%C3%9Fe+g%2Caps%2C573&sr=8-22>
.

As far as I can tell, the capital ẞ is nowhere near pushing aside SS, and
even the lowercase ß is more common in all caps German book and video
titles.

markus