Re: German sharp S uppercase mapping

On 12/1/2024 2:24 PM, David Starner via Unicode wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 1, 2024 at 3:42 PM Markus Scherer <[email protected]> wrote:
>> No, that one is clearly a lowercase ß.
> I disagree; that's clearly an eszett, between other uppercase
> characters, and unless there's some linguistic weirdness going on,
> like iPhone or eBook, that's a capital letter.
No, it's not.
> Glyphs have to be taken
> in context, and in that case, it's clear they didn't intend for one
> character in the middle of the word to be lowercase.
That (writing a lowercase ß in ALLCAPS) being / having been an 
acceptable fallback, you can't assume anything based on context. You do 
need to consider the glyph (unless you have access to the underlying 
text buffer).
> I could wonder
> whether that's a bad glyph for the text, or one used by preference to
> the ẞ style glyph, but in Latin-script German, in a modern Unicode
> context, it makes no sense to maintain a distinction between an
> uppercased lowercase ß and an uppercase ẞ. Uppercase("ß") should go to
> "SS" or "ẞ", and a glyph looking like ß in an uppercase context should
> be interpreted and written as U+1E9E, not U+00DF.

The glyph is clearly not that for a capital letter - for one, it extends 
above the tops of all other capitals. Typical designs for capital forms 
of ß tend to be wider and a bit more squat in appearance. The 
distinction is quite noticeable.

What you are arguing is that one should not use that fallback any 
longer. I have no arguments with that, but in this case, the fallback 
was used.

A./