Re: AW: [RESULT] [VOTE] Move Apache Cocoon into the Apache Attic

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Dspace (prior to version 7) used Cocoon 2.2, and enhanced its 
functionality, for instance, integration with Lucene SOLR. Look for the 
XMLUI section available from:

https://github.com/DSpace/DSpace/releases/tag/dspace-6.4

Release Notes:

https://wiki.lyrasis.org/display/DSDOC6x

I always continued to use Cocoon version 2.1x, and am hoping to use LLMs 
to help me refactor some of its code. I am not a JAVA developer. There 
were a few old code samples many (many years) ago adding some java 
classes, which I believe were never fully integrated into 2.13.

I still love 2.1x, and would like to see better html parser cleanup than 
jsoup/niko, hardening security issues, and wow, if the python integrator 
package could ever be upgraded, that would tie in nicely with the wide 
use of python language.

Cocoon pipelines are awesome.

Dan

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On 2024-09-13 8:15 a.m., Cédric Damioli wrote:
> Do you think there exist "multiple" forks ?
> I'm now aware of Gabriel's but are there any others ?
>
> Cédric
>
> Le 13/09/2024 à 15:58, Christofer Dutz a écrit :
>>
>> It does seem as if multiple people claimed to still be using Cocoon, 
>> but maintaining their own forks.
>>
>> Why not bring exactly this back to the upstream project and join 
>> forces in maintaining it?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> *Von: *Cédric Damioli <[email protected]>
>> *Datum: *Donnerstag, 12. September 2024 um 19:31
>> *An: *[email protected] <[email protected]>
>> *Betreff: *Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Move Apache Cocoon into the Apache Attic
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Sadly, there's not enough motivated individuals to keep the project 
>> running as is.
>> When we ran a poll 10 months ago, very few people actually 
>> volunteered to help keeping Cocoon 2.3 alive, and the reality of 
>> these past 10 months is that nobody has barely done anything to move 
>> forward.
>>
>> Anyway, now that the Attic vote has passed, we have to move forward 
>> with the due process.
>>
>> Cédric
>>
>> Le 11/09/2024 à 13:27, Gabriel Gruber a écrit :
>>
>>     >> Can you explain why you didn't via
>>     https://github.com/apache/cocoon ?
>>
>>     Hmm, good question actually. I wasn’t aware that the PR
>>     functionality was actually really used to add enhancements to the
>>     project and I always felt a little bit lost with the
>>     formal/administrative rules to get patches to the project,
>>     without being an official committer.
>>
>>     Anyway I would be willing to add all necessary changes to make
>>     cocoon compatible with spring 5+ in a PR
>>
>>     Cheerio,
>>
>>     Gabriel
>>
>>     *From: *Torsten Curdt <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>     *Date: *Wednesday, 11. September 2024 at 10:59
>>     *To: *[email protected] <[email protected]>
>>     <mailto:[email protected]>
>>     *Subject: *Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Move Apache Cocoon into the Apache
>>     Attic
>>
>>         It is sad, to let such a powerful project die. Having said
>>         that, we are using it still in production and trying to apply
>>         security patches on our own fork to make it compatible with
>>         newer versions of spring and java.
>>
>>         If the project would continue on github, I can just stress
>>         again that I would be very happy to participate and share all
>>         our patches.
>>
>>
>>     Can you explain why you didn't via https://github.com/apache/cocoon ?
>>
>>     Just trying to understand whether github would really make a
>>     difference.
>>
>>     While I am still +1 for the attic (because I don't see anyone
>>     working on Cocoon in any form),
>>     it feels a little sad if there are individually maintained forks
>>     that could as well be part of the project.
>>
>>     cheers,
>>     Torsten
>>
>
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    <p>Dspace (prior to version 7) used Cocoon 2.2, and enhanced its
      functionality, for instance, integration with Lucene SOLR. Look
      for the XMLUI section available from:</p>
    <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/DSpace/DSpace/releases/tag/dspace-6.4">https://github.com/DSpace/DSpace/releases/tag/dspace-6.4</a></p>
    <p>Release Notes:</p>
    <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.lyrasis.org/display/DSDOC6x">https://wiki.lyrasis.org/display/DSDOC6x</a></p>
    <p>I always continued to use Cocoon version 2.1x, and am hoping to
      use LLMs to help me refactor some of its code. I am not a JAVA
      developer. There were a few old code samples many (many years) ago
      adding some java classes, which I believe were never fully
      integrated into 2.13.</p>
    <p>I still love 2.1x, and would like to see better html parser
      cleanup than jsoup/niko, hardening security issues, and wow, if
      the python integrator package could ever be upgraded, that would
      tie in nicely with the wide use of python language.</p>
    <p>Cocoon pipelines are awesome.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Dan<br>
    </p>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2024-09-13 8:15 a.m., Cédric Damioli
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      cite="mid:[email protected]"> Do you
      think there exist "multiple" forks ?<br>
      I'm now aware of Gabriel's but are there any others ?<br>
      <br>
      Cédric<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 13/09/2024 à 15:58, Christofer
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">It does seem as if
              multiple people claimed to still be using Cocoon, but
              maintaining their own forks.</span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Why not bring exactly
              this back to the upstream project and join forces in
              maintaining it?</span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Chris</span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>Von: </span></b><span>Cédric
                      Damioli <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                        href="mailto:[email protected]"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;[email protected]&gt;</a><br>
                      <b>Datum: </b>Donnerstag, 12. September 2024 um
                      19:31<br>
                      <b>An: </b><a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated moz-txt-link-freetext"
                        href="mailto:[email protected]"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">[email protected]</a>
                      <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                        href="mailto:[email protected]"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;[email protected]&gt;</a><br>
                      <b>Betreff: </b>Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Move Apache
                      Cocoon into the Apache Attic</span><span></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Hi,<br>
                  <br>
                  Sadly, there's not enough motivated individuals to
                  keep the project running as is.<br>
                  When we ran a poll 10 months ago, very few people
                  actually volunteered to help keeping Cocoon 2.3 alive,
                  and the reality of these past 10 months is that nobody
                  has barely done anything to move forward.<br>
                  <br>
                  Anyway, now that the Attic vote has passed, we have to
                  move forward with the due process.<br>
                  <br>
                  Cédric<br>
                  <br>
                </p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Le 11/09/2024 à 13:27, Gabriel
                    Gruber a écrit :</p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">&gt;&gt;
                          </span><span>Can you explain why you didn't
                            via <a
                              href="https://github.com/apache/cocoon"
                              class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/apache/cocoon</a>
                            ?</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hmm, good
                        question actually. I wasn’t aware that the PR
                        functionality was actually really used to add
                        enhancements to the project and I always felt a
                        little bit lost with the formal/administrative
                        rules to get patches to the project, without
                        being an official committer.</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Anyway I
                        would be willing to add all necessary changes to
                        make cocoon compatible with spring 5+ in a PR</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Cheerio,</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Gabriel</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From: </span></b><span>Torsten
                              Curdt <a href="mailto:[email protected]"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">
                                &lt;[email protected]&gt;</a><br>
                              <b>Date: </b>Wednesday, 11. September
                              2024 at 10:59<br>
                              <b>To: </b><a
                                href="mailto:[email protected]"
                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">[email protected]</a>
                              <a href="mailto:[email protected]"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">
                                &lt;[email protected]&gt;</a><br>
                              <b>Subject: </b>Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Move
                              Apache Cocoon into the Apache Attic</span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span>It is sad,
                                      to let such a powerful project
                                      die. Having said that, we are
                                      using it still in production and
                                      trying to apply security patches
                                      on our own fork to make it
                                      compatible with newer versions of
                                      spring and java.</span></p>
                                </div>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span>If the
                                      project would continue on github,
                                      I can just stress again that I
                                      would be very happy to participate
                                      and share all our patches.</span></p>
                                </div>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span><br>
                                  Can you explain why you didn't via <a
href="https://github.com/apache/cocoon" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/apache/cocoon</a>
                                  ?<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Just trying to understand whether
                                  github would really make a difference.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  While I am still +1 for the attic
                                  (because I don't see anyone working on
                                  Cocoon in any form),<br>
                                  it feels a little sad if there are
                                  individually maintained forks that
                                  could as well be part of the project.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  cheers,<br>
                                  Torsten</span></p>
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