Re: AW: [RESULT] [VOTE] Move Apache Cocoon into the Apache Attic

Cédric Damioli <[email protected]> Fri, 13 Sep 2024 16:15:11 +0200
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Do you think there exist "multiple" forks ?
I'm now aware of Gabriel's but are there any others ?

Cédric

Le 13/09/2024 à 15:58, Christofer Dutz a écrit :
>
> It does seem as if multiple people claimed to still be using Cocoon, 
> but maintaining their own forks.
>
> Why not bring exactly this back to the upstream project and join 
> forces in maintaining it?
>
> Chris
>
> *Von: *Cédric Damioli <[email protected]>
> *Datum: *Donnerstag, 12. September 2024 um 19:31
> *An: *[email protected] <[email protected]>
> *Betreff: *Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Move Apache Cocoon into the Apache Attic
>
> Hi,
>
> Sadly, there's not enough motivated individuals to keep the project 
> running as is.
> When we ran a poll 10 months ago, very few people actually volunteered 
> to help keeping Cocoon 2.3 alive, and the reality of these past 10 
> months is that nobody has barely done anything to move forward.
>
> Anyway, now that the Attic vote has passed, we have to move forward 
> with the due process.
>
> Cédric
>
> Le 11/09/2024 à 13:27, Gabriel Gruber a écrit :
>
>     >> Can you explain why you didn't via https://github.com/apache/cocoon ?
>
>     Hmm, good question actually. I wasn’t aware that the PR
>     functionality was actually really used to add enhancements to the
>     project and I always felt a little bit lost with the
>     formal/administrative rules to get patches to the project, without
>     being an official committer.
>
>     Anyway I would be willing to add all necessary changes to make
>     cocoon compatible with spring 5+ in a PR
>
>     Cheerio,
>
>     Gabriel
>
>     *From: *Torsten Curdt <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>     *Date: *Wednesday, 11. September 2024 at 10:59
>     *To: *[email protected] <[email protected]>
>     <mailto:[email protected]>
>     *Subject: *Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Move Apache Cocoon into the Apache
>     Attic
>
>         It is sad, to let such a powerful project die. Having said
>         that, we are using it still in production and trying to apply
>         security patches on our own fork to make it compatible with
>         newer versions of spring and java.
>
>         If the project would continue on github, I can just stress
>         again that I would be very happy to participate and share all
>         our patches.
>
>
>     Can you explain why you didn't via https://github.com/apache/cocoon ?
>
>     Just trying to understand whether github would really make a
>     difference.
>
>     While I am still +1 for the attic (because I don't see anyone
>     working on Cocoon in any form),
>     it feels a little sad if there are individually maintained forks
>     that could as well be part of the project.
>
>     cheers,
>     Torsten
>

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    Do you think there exist "multiple" forks ?<br>
    I'm now aware of Gabriel's but are there any others ?<br>
    <br>
    Cédric<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"
            style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It does
            seem as if multiple people claimed to still be using Cocoon,
            but maintaining their own forks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"
            style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Why not
            bring exactly this back to the upstream project and join
            forces in maintaining it?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span
                      style="color:black">Von:
                    </span></b><span style="color:black">Cédric Damioli
                    <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]">&lt;[email protected]&gt;</a><br>
                    <b>Datum: </b>Donnerstag, 12. September 2024 um
                    19:31<br>
                    <b>An: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>
                    <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]">&lt;[email protected]&gt;</a><br>
                    <b>Betreff: </b>Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Move Apache
                    Cocoon into the Apache Attic</span><span
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi,<br>
                <br>
                Sadly, there's not enough motivated individuals to keep
                the project running as is.<br>
                When we ran a poll 10 months ago, very few people
                actually volunteered to help keeping Cocoon 2.3 alive,
                and the reality of these past 10 months is that nobody
                has barely done anything to move forward.<br>
                <br>
                Anyway, now that the Attic vote has passed, we have to
                move forward with the due process.<br>
                <br>
                Cédric<br>
                <br>
                <o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Le 11/09/2024 à 13:27, Gabriel
                  Gruber a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Can you
                          explain why you didn't via <a
                            href="https://github.com/apache/cocoon"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/apache/cocoon</a>
                          ?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"
                      style="font-size:11.0pt">Hmm, good question
                      actually. I wasn’t aware that the PR functionality
                      was actually really used to add enhancements to
                      the project and I always felt a little bit lost
                      with the formal/administrative rules to get
                      patches to the project, without being an official
                      committer.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"
                      style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"
                      style="font-size:11.0pt">Anyway I would be willing
                      to add all necessary changes to make cocoon
                      compatible with spring 5+ in a PR</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"
                      style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"
                      style="font-size:11.0pt">Cheerio,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"
                      style="font-size:11.0pt">Gabriel</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                      style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                              style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
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                            style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Torsten
                            Curdt <a href="mailto:[email protected]"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">
                              &lt;[email protected]&gt;</a><br>
                            <b>Date: </b>Wednesday, 11. September 2024
                            at 10:59<br>
                            <b>To: </b><a
                              href="mailto:[email protected]"
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email protected]</a>
                            <a href="mailto:[email protected]"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">
                              &lt;[email protected]&gt;</a><br>
                            <b>Subject: </b>Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Move
                            Apache Cocoon into the Apache Attic</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-size:12.0pt">It is sad,
                                    to let such a powerful project die.
                                    Having said that, we are using it
                                    still in production and trying to
                                    apply security patches on our own
                                    fork to make it compatible with
                                    newer versions of spring and java.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-size:12.0pt">If the
                                    project would continue on github, I
                                    can just stress again that I would
                                    be very happy to participate and
                                    share all our patches.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:12.0pt"><br>
                                Can you explain why you didn't via <a
href="https://github.com/apache/cocoon" moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/apache/cocoon</a>
                                ?<br>
                                <br>
                                Just trying to understand whether github
                                would really make a difference.<br>
                                <br>
                                While I am still +1 for the attic
                                (because I don't see anyone working on
                                Cocoon in any form),<br>
                                it feels a little sad if there are
                                individually maintained forks that could
                                as well be part of the project.<br>
                                <br>
                                cheers,<br>
                                Torsten</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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