AW: AW: [RESULT] [VOTE] Move Apache Cocoon into the Apache Attic
Christofer Dutz <[email protected]> Sat, 28 Sep 2024 14:31:37 +0000
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--_000_AS2PR05MB1024787030C526D6EE78F507BA2742AS2PR05MB10247eu_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sooo =85 who=92s adding the resolution to the next board meeting=92s agenda= ? Chris Von: Christofer Dutz <[email protected]> Datum: Samstag, 14. September 2024 um 11:01 An: [email protected] <[email protected]> Betreff: AW: AW: [RESULT] [VOTE] Move Apache Cocoon into the Apache Attic Well, I guess this is sort of the issue we are facing here. There are some = people that like and still use cocoon and would like others to clean up stu= ff. But so far, I have not really heard anyone actually willing to do the work.= If there=92s nobody willing to do the work, then the project can=92t conti= nue. That=92s as simple as it can get. I did the work to clean up the build, to make building releasing etc. simpl= er in the hope that would re-engage people, but it seems that did not work. I thought I had heard from one of the PMC members that he also maintains a = private fork. But that might have been me mixing up things. Chris Von: [email protected] <[email protected]> Datum: Freitag, 13. September 2024 um 17:46 An: [email protected] <[email protected]> Betreff: Re: AW: [RESULT] [VOTE] Move Apache Cocoon into the Apache Attic Dspace (prior to version 7) used Cocoon 2.2, and enhanced its functionality= , for instance, integration with Lucene SOLR. Look for the XMLUI section av= ailable from: https://github.com/DSpace/DSpace/releases/tag/dspace-6.4 Release Notes: https://wiki.lyrasis.org/display/DSDOC6x I always continued to use Cocoon version 2.1x, and am hoping to use LLMs to= help me refactor some of its code. I am not a JAVA developer. There were a= few old code samples many (many years) ago adding some java classes, which= I believe were never fully integrated into 2.13. I still love 2.1x, and would like to see better html parser cleanup than js= oup/niko, hardening security issues, and wow, if the python integrator pack= age could ever be upgraded, that would tie in nicely with the wide use of p= ython language. Cocoon pipelines are awesome. Dan =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D On 2024-09-13 8:15 a.m., C=E9dric Damioli wrote: Do you think there exist "multiple" forks ? I'm now aware of Gabriel's but are there any others ? C=E9dric Le 13/09/2024 =E0 15:58, Christofer Dutz a =E9crit : It does seem as if multiple people claimed to still be using Cocoon, but ma= intaining their own forks. Why not bring exactly this back to the upstream project and join forces in = maintaining it? Chris Von: C=E9dric Damioli <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> Datum: Donnerstag, 12. September 2024 um 19:31 An: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected].= org><mailto:[email protected]> Betreff: Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Move Apache Cocoon into the Apache Attic Hi, Sadly, there's not enough motivated individuals to keep the project running= as is. When we ran a poll 10 months ago, very few people actually volunteered to h= elp keeping Cocoon 2.3 alive, and the reality of these past 10 months is th= at nobody has barely done anything to move forward. Anyway, now that the Attic vote has passed, we have to move forward with th= e due process. C=E9dric Le 11/09/2024 =E0 13:27, Gabriel Gruber a =E9crit : >> Can you explain why you didn't via https://github.com/apache/cocoon ? Hmm, good question actually. I wasn=92t aware that the PR functionality was= actually really used to add enhancements to the project and I always felt = a little bit lost with the formal/administrative rules to get patches to th= e project, without being an official committer. Anyway I would be willing to add all necessary changes to make cocoon compa= tible with spring 5+ in a PR Cheerio, Gabriel From: Torsten Curdt <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, 11. September 2024 at 10:59 To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected].= org><mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Move Apache Cocoon into the Apache Attic It is sad, to let such a powerful project die. Having said that, we are usi= ng it still in production and trying to apply security patches on our own f= ork to make it compatible with newer versions of spring and java. If the project would continue on github, I can just stress again that I wou= ld be very happy to participate and share all our patches. Can you explain why you didn't via https://github.com/apache/cocoon ? Just trying to understand whether github would really make a difference. While I am still +1 for the attic (because I don't see anyone working on Co= coon in any form), it feels a little sad if there are individually maintained forks that could= as well be part of the project. cheers, Torsten --_000_AS2PR05MB1024787030C526D6EE78F507BA2742AS2PR05MB10247eu_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w=3D"urn:sc= hemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/of= fice/2004/12/omml" xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DWindows-1= 252"> <meta name=3D"Generator" content=3D"Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style><!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Aptos; panose-1:2 11 0 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0cm; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} span.E-MailFormatvorlage21 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif; color:windowtext;} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-size:10.0pt; mso-ligatures:none;} @page WordSection1 {size:612.0pt 792.0pt; margin:70.85pt 70.85pt 2.0cm 70.85pt;} div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} --></style> </head> <body lang=3D"DE" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"word-wrap:break-w= ord"> <div class=3D"WordSection1"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-f= areast-language:EN-US">Sooo =85 who=92s adding the resolution to the next b= oard meeting=92s agenda?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-f= areast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-f= areast-language:EN-US">Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-f= areast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div id=3D"mail-editor-reference-message-container"> <div> <div> <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm = 0cm 0cm"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style=3D"col= or:black">Von: </span></b><span style=3D"color:black">Christofer Dutz <christofer.dutz@= c-ware.de><br> <b>Datum: </b>Samstag, 14. September 2024 um 11:01<br> <b>An: </b>[email protected] <[email protected]><br> <b>Betreff: </b>AW: AW: [RESULT] [VOTE] Move Apache Cocoon into the Apache = Attic<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Well= , I guess this is sort of the issue we are facing here. There are some peop= le that like and still use cocoon and would like others to clean up stuff.<= /span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">But = so far, I have not really heard anyone actually willing to do the work. If = there=92s nobody willing to do the work, then the project can=92t continue.= </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">That= =92s as simple as it can get.</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">&nbs= p;</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">I di= d the work to clean up the build, to make building releasing etc. simpler i= n the hope that would re-engage people, but it seems that did not work.</sp= an><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">&nbs= p;</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">I th= ought I had heard from one of the PMC members that he also maintains a priv= ate fork. But that might have been me mixing up things.</span><o:p></o:p></= p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">&nbs= p;</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Chri= s</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">&nbs= p;</span><o:p></o:p></p> <div id=3D"mail-editor-reference-message-container"> <div> <div> <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm = 0cm 0cm"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style=3D"col= or:black">Von: </span></b><span style=3D"color:black">[email protected] <insight49@gm= ail.com><br> <b>Datum: </b>Freitag, 13. September 2024 um 17:46<br> <b>An: </b>[email protected] <[email protected]><br> <b>Betreff: </b>Re: AW: [RESULT] [VOTE] Move Apache Cocoon into the Apache = Attic</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p>Dspace (prior to version 7) used Cocoon 2.2, and enhanced its functional= ity, for instance, integration with Lucene SOLR. Look for the XMLUI section= available from:<o:p></o:p></p> <p><a href=3D"https://github.com/DSpace/DSpace/releases/tag/dspace-6.4">htt= ps://github.com/DSpace/DSpace/releases/tag/dspace-6.4</a><o:p></o:p></p> <p>Release Notes:<o:p></o:p></p> <p><a href=3D"https://wiki.lyrasis.org/display/DSDOC6x">https://wiki.lyrasi= s.org/display/DSDOC6x</a><o:p></o:p></p> <p>I always continued to use Cocoon version 2.1x, and am hoping to use LLMs= to help me refactor some of its code. I am not a JAVA developer. There wer= e a few old code samples many (many years) ago adding some java classes, wh= ich I believe were never fully integrated into 2.13.<o:p></o:p></p> <p>I still love 2.1x, and would like to see better html parser cleanup than= jsoup/niko, hardening security issues, and wow, if the python integrator p= ackage could ever be upgraded, that would tie in nicely with the wide use o= f python language.<o:p></o:p></p> <p>Cocoon pipelines are awesome.<o:p></o:p></p> <p>Dan<o:p></o:p></p> <p>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= <o:p></o:p></p> <p> <o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 2024-09-13 8:15 a.m., C=E9dric Damioli wrote:<o:p= ></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Do you think there ex= ist "multiple" forks ?<br> I'm now aware of Gabriel's but are there any others ?<br> <br> C=E9dric<o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Le 13/09/2024 =E0 15:58, Christofer Dutz a =E9crit&n= bsp;:<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">It does seem as if multiple peo= ple claimed to still be using Cocoon, but maintaining their own forks.</spa= n><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Why not bring exactly this back= to the upstream project and join forces in maintaining it?</span><o:p></o:= p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Chris</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <div id=3D"mail-editor-reference-message-container"> <div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Von: </b>C=E9dric Damioli <a href=3D"mailto:cdami= [email protected]"> <[email protected]></a><br> <b>Datum: </b>Donnerstag, 12. September 2024 um 19:31<br> <b>An: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</= a> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"> <[email protected]></a><br> <b>Betreff: </b>Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Move Apache Cocoon into the Apache Atti= c<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi,<br> <br> Sadly, there's not enough motivated individuals to keep the project running= as is.<br> When we ran a poll 10 months ago, very few people actually volunteered to h= elp keeping Cocoon 2.3 alive, and the reality of these past 10 months is th= at nobody has barely done anything to move forward.<br> <br> Anyway, now that the Attic vote has passed, we have to move forward with th= e due process.<br> <br> C=E9dric<o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Le 11/09/2024 =E0 13:27, Gabriel Gruber a =E9crit&nb= sp;:<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">>> </span>Can you explain= why you didn't via <a href=3D"https://github.com/apache/cocoon">https= ://github.com/apache/cocoon</a> ?<o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Hmm, good question actually. I = wasn=92t aware that the PR functionality was actually really used to add en= hancements to the project and I always felt a little bit lost with the form= al/administrative rules to get patches to the project, without being an official committer.</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Anyway I would be willing to ad= d all necessary changes to make cocoon compatible with spring 5+ in a PR</s= pan><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Cheerio,</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Gabriel</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> <div id=3D"mail-editor-reference-message-container"> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From: </b>Torsten Curdt <a href=3D"mailto:tcurdt@= apache.org"> <[email protected]></a><br> <b>Date: </b>Wednesday, 11. September 2024 at 10:59<br> <b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</= a> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"> <[email protected]></a><br> <b>Subject: </b>Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Move Apache Cocoon into the Apache Atti= c<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <div> <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">It is sad, to let such a powerful project die. Havin= g said that, we are using it still in production and trying to apply securi= ty patches on our own fork to make it compatible with newer versions of spr= ing and java.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">If the project would continue on github, I can just = stress again that I would be very happy to participate and share all our pa= tches.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> </blockquote> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br> Can you explain why you didn't via <a href=3D"https://github.com/apach= e/cocoon">https://github.com/apache/cocoon</a> ?<br> <br> Just trying to understand whether github would really make a difference.<br= > <br> While I am still +1 for the attic (because I don't see anyone working on Co= coon in any form),<br> it feels a little sad if there are individually maintained forks that could= as well be part of the project.<br> <br> cheers,<br> Torsten<o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html> --_000_AS2PR05MB1024787030C526D6EE78F507BA2742AS2PR05MB10247eu_--