Re: One quibble re: topicmap

Alex,

On 11/29/2011 09:47 PM, Alexander Johannesen wrote:
> Hiya,
>
> An interesting follow-up and possible confirmation is to have various
> people with their various systems try to chalk up a similar chart for
> their system. Also, I doubt we'll all agree on what is what, even,
> like some have ontology and TMCL separate, others have them as joined
> efforts (and hence 'ontology' should perhaps be on the other side),
> others again use something closer to TMRM which isn't represented, and
> so on. For example, my original xSiteable was more of a presentation
> layer compiler of Topic Maps websites, and had a very (*very*)
> different setup all-together where rendering, storage and delivery was
> the same, TMCL (small part) was at the same of of 'ontology', and with
> no mining / analyze part between data and the map.
>
+1!

Everyone is going to arrange the pieces a little or a lot differently.

My goal was to get a discussion going about those pieces in general, 
even if we don't agree all the pieces or where they go.

Knowing where you put the pieces in your application or process is going 
to help me explain to someone why to choose your solution over another one.

Or quite honestly, to use good ideas you have for explaining modeling to 
users for my own. ;-)

> Having said all that, I like it. For those of us who still haven't
> given up on total world domination, I think this is a very worthwhile
> effort, and would love to see more people chime in. (Might even be a
> way to get one leg up RDF and its ilk :)
>
Thanks!

Actually I think RDF is being held up by its criteria for being 
decidable. Few things in human data systems are.

I may have a logic contest some time soon to see how many people use 
various forms of logic in the average day.

Suspect the numbers are going to be really low.

If that suspicion is correct, why bother encoding our data into a system 
we don't use ourselves?

Hope you are having a great week!

Patrick



> Regards,
>
> Alex
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Patrick Durusau<patrick-Q/[email protected]>  wrote:
>> Neal,
>>
>> While creating the image I wondered about where was the "best" place to put
>> ontology.
>>
>> What would you suggest as a way to show its possible presence/use in
>> multiple locations?
>>
>> One reason for the exercise is that I would like to have several versions
>> that have a "tool kit" icon for each of the images.
>>
>> So if you have the clearly labeled "beginner" image, you get different
>> suggested tools than the "intermediate" (beginner + more) or "expert"
>> (intermediate + more) or "researcher" (expert + more).
>>
>> For example, my post yesterday on using Cloud9 to mine Wikipedia in the
>> cloud is probably an "expert" tool. The post on templates is probably a
>> research tool.
>>
>> Hope you are having a great day!
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/28/2011 05:08 PM, Neal McNamara (nealmc) wrote:
>>> Hi Patrick,
>>>
>>>    Those look to be some useful categories. My only quibble would be the
>>> point at which the ontology plugs in. For my type of work, I would
>>> expect it closer to the data&    authoring.
>>>
>>>
>>>    Always good to hear from you!
>>>
>>> Neal McNamara
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Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps)
Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300
Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps)

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