Re: Revelation 3:20

On 7/6/2026 7:33 PM, Samuel Spade wrote:
> "Andrew" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Samuel Spade" wrote
>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>> "Samuel Spade" wrote
>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>> Samuel Spade wrote:
>>>>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jesus said, "I am the resurrection and the life. Any
>>>>>>>> one who believes in me will live, even after dying.
>>>>>>>> Everyone who lives in me and believes in me will
>>>>>>>> never die."
>>>>>>>>                         John 11:25-26 NLT
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Never die?  Are you sure?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hebrews 9:27
>>>>>>> And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after
>>>>>>> this the judgment:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Never die, once die.  Never die, once die.  Which will it be?
>>>>>>> Oh, wait:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Revelation 21:8
>>>>>>> But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable,
>>>>>>> and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and
>>>>>>> idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the
>>>>>>> lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the
>>>>>>> second death.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Damn. Now we're up to the second death!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Never die, twice die.  Never die, twice die.  Tough choices!
>>>>
>>>> The default numbur is 'two'.  If you want to die only
>>>> once, then you must come up in the first resurrection.
>>>
>>> Oh no you don't.  You're already on record as saying whoever
>>> believes in Jesus *will never die*.
>>
>> That's what _Jesus_ said.
>>
>>> How do you do that?  As
>>> you are quoted above, and I repeat:
>>>
>>>>>>>> Jesus said, "I am the resurrection and the life. Any
>>>>>>>> one who believes in me will live, even after dying.
>>>>>>>> Everyone who lives in me and believes in me will
>>>>>>>> never die."   John 11:25-26 NLT
>>>
>>> I admit, Andrew, you're on the horns of a dilema.  You can
>>> either accept John 11:26 and never die, or go by Heb 9:27 and
>>> die once.  Or, of course, enjoy a rich life of sin and
>>> abomination, and be blessed with double deaths, per Rev 21:8.
>>
>> Choose option # 1,
>>
>>> The choices are all in pretty direct conflict, aren't they?
>>
>> Absolutely! So make up your mind!
>>
>> Choose option # 1,
>>
>> "Blessed and holy are those who share in the first
>>   resurrection. For them the second death holds no
>>   power,"                 ~ Rev 20:6
> 
> So you're admitting Option 0, "never die", is off the table?
> You know, the one you quoted at the beginning of the thread?
> 
> "Everyone who lives in me and believes in me will never die."
> John 11:26
> 
> Do you want to see John and Paul duke it out?

You'll never win this "argument"; you realize that, don't you?