Re: Pendragon the folklorist / GJD

> Will-Dockery wrote:
> 
>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> [email protected] (Will-Dockery) posted:
>> 
>> 
>>> George J. Dance wrote:
>>> 
>>> BiteMeSharpEnt wrote:
>>> 
>>> HarryLime wrote:
>>> 
>>> Will-Dockery wrote:
>>> 
>>> George J. Dance wrote:
>>> Pendragon the folklorist
>>> 
>>> One Michael Pendragon, in mockery,
>>> Would lie all the time about Dockery.
>>> When called on each lie
>>> He'd whine and he'd cry:
>>> "That wasn't a lie -- it was folkery!"
>>> 
>>> - gjd26
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So, to continue the continuity of the "folklore," other characters such as  Nasty Gene, Senile Senetto and "Voodoo Boy" (as told by Zod) should logically follow?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Michael Pendragon, NancyGene, and Jim Senetto each have their own page in the folklore.  I have not mentioned any of the above-listed childish names, because none have permanently attached themselves to the persons they were directed at.
>>> 
>>> Folklore comprises the stories that continue to be told about someone long after the events described in them occurred -- assuming that they occurred at all.
>>> 
>>> "Voodoo Boy" was only used by Stinky G -- fell out of usage entirely after a couple of weeks.
>>> 
>>> Compiling a comprehensive list of usernames, aliases, and nicknames for the individual A.A.P.C. members sounds like a worthy project -- but for a history of A.A.P.C., not for a record of its folklore.
>>> 
>>> *I'm getting the distinct impression that you don't understand the difference between folklore and history.
>>> 
>>> Dumbass.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The "fokelore" is always hilarious right up until somebody starts fact-checking the legends.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Like Ernest Dowson, HarryLiar's "folklore" is true in its own fashion.
>>> 
>>> For about 7 years starting in 2017, aapc was infested by a gang of as many a dozen trolls,
>>> nicknamed the "Bandar-Log" after /The Jungle Book/ (Disney version), with Harry as their
>>> Monkey King. He'd make up stories about other people, and they'd repeat them ad nauseam.
>>> Most of them left when google shut down usenet support, but Harry and a couple of
>>> others just couldn't let go.
>>> 
>>> The "folklore" series is a true record of the stories the Bandar-Log used to tell, and the
>>> format gives Harry a way of spreading them once again (and, if he's lucky, getting some
>>> new trolling in). At least this time he's admitted the stories are not true, and without his
>>> Bandar-Log subjects there's little chance of them being believed.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Well put, GJD.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This response appears in the discussion at:
>>> http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=709369910#709369910
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Folklore is what folks remember long after the historical facts have been forgotten.
> 
> 
> In other words, it's way too early for "Folklore."
> 
> 😏




Wrong, Donkey.

We've been over this already.  Try to pay attention.

Folklore usually begins during, or shortly after, the lifetime of the person it is about.

Folklore about Jesse James began during his lifetime.  Folklore about Davy Crockett began during his lifetime.  Folklore about Abraham Lincoln began during his lifetime.

Today, we have historians who have sorted out the truth regarding their lives from the fiction, but we still remember the folklore and often repeat it as having been real.

Here's what George J. Dunce's Trusted Source and Only Friend says:

"Folklore and the myth-making surrounding Jesse James began shortly after the Civil War in the late 1860s and early 1870s."  (Jesse James died in 1882.)

"Folklore and tall tales about Davy Crockett began during his lifetime in the 1830s, fueled by his own political persona and exaggerated backwoods autobiographical stories, before exploding into print right around 1835 with the launch of the Davy Crockett."  (Davy Crockett died in 1836.)

"Folklore and political mythmaking about Abraham Lincoln began in 1860 during his presidential campaign, and exploded into full national mythology immediately following his assassination in 1865."  (Abraham Lincoln died in 1865.)

Similarly, folklore about General George Armstrong Custer began immediately after his death at the battle of Little Big Horn.  Folklore about George Washington began in 1806, seven years after his death in 1799.  Folklore about Pocahontas began in 1624, seven years after her death in 1617.

The reason for this is that folklore, which is defined by Wikipedia as "the body of expressive culture shared by a particular group of people, culture or subculture," generally occurs when those who knew the persons around whom the folklore has grown are still alive to tell, and retell, their stories.

Of course, A.A.P.C. folklore isn't as widespread as the folklore concerning James, Crockett, and Lincoln, but is confined to a small internet group and the members who participated in it over the years.  But A.A.P.C. does qualify (or, rather, did qualify) as a literary community, and it is in a community that folklore begins and takes hold.

In fact, it was your friend and ally, MummyChunk, who first pointed out that much of the folklore that grew up around A.A.P.C. has been centered on you.  I'm finding it fascinating to locate, and point out the numerous examples of folklore that have developed about the members of A.A.P.C. over the course of the past 25 years.  I'm also finding it challenging to determine which stories are true, which arose from a true story but were modified over time, and which were completely fictitious.

MummyChunk pointed this out as a positive thing -- which, in a way, it is.  Folklore grows up around people and events that are larger than life... about characters whose personality and/or life story is markedly different from that of the average person.  Folklore attaches itself to these larger-than-life personas, and embellishes their stories (often through exaggeration) to make them appear even larger.

And it is an indisputable fact that you have become the most prominent figure in A.A.P.C.'s folklore -- in fact, it is by no means a stretch of the imagination to say that, within the confines of the A.A.P.C. community, your notoriety is approaching a legendary status.

Rather than working yourself into a tizzy over my cataloging the A.A.P.C. folklore, you should be taking advantage of the opportunity to confirm or deny the various amounts of historical accuracy from which each of the folktales has sprung (in each of the individual threads).  If you're capable of distancing yourself emotionally far enough from the material to examine it in an unbiased, and honest, manner. 


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