Re: WHo is really opposed to "genocide"? was World Central Kitchen deaths in Gaza

On Mon, 20 May 2024 10:55:29 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Steve Hayes <[email protected]> on Mon, 20 May 2024 11:52:52 +0200
>typed in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox  the following:
>>On Sat, 18 May 2024 14:07:27 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Steve: Every place where he wrote "Israel" just replace it with "Gaza"
>>>and vice versa.  
>>>
>>>	You still apparently feel that what Hamas has done, and promises
>>>to do, is of no import, because "Jews Bad."
>>
>>Wrong. 
>>
>>Hamas has done bad thing, and did bad things on 7 October 2023, but
>>what they did on one day does not justify the genocide is still going
>>on right now. 
>	So as you are accusing the IDF of genocide or mass murder for
>whatever happens, why should they not continue on their mission to
>destroy Hamas?
>>
>>What Hamas has promised to do -- see here -- 
>>
>><https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full>
>>
>>may be of import in future political negotiations, but it does not
>>justify the genocide that is going on right now. 
>
>	And so, because you consider everything the IDF to be Genocide,
>and apparently are willing to excuse Hamas actions, you want Israel to
>stop defending themselves, while you and the rest of the "west" help
>Hamas rebuild so they can commit later atrocities.
>>
>>>   You call everything the
>>>IDF does "genocide" debasing the word.
>>
>>No, I do do not call "everything" the IDF does "genocide". 
>>
>>The things that it does that I call genocide are the mass murder it
>>has been carrying out for the last five months and is still doing
>>today, and the destruction of health services and educational
>>institutions, which form part of the legal definition of genocide. 
>
>	"mass murder"  right.  
>
>	Most people have no idea what is involved in urban warfare, and
>what is euphemistically called "collateral damage".
>
>	If the IDF had really wanted to commit mass murder, all they would
>have had to do is shut off the power and water, seal the border, and
>bomb the cities flat.
>> 
>>>	Like I said, for you, everything the IDF does is genocide.
>>
>>Your attitude of "If I want your opinion I'll give it to you" seems
>>rather arrogant. 
>
>	genocide, mass murder, whatever.  Your compassion for Hamas is
>showing.  Even as you hide behind the fig leaf of "compassion" and
>objection to violence, the objective reality is that you would rather
>preserve a terrorist organization so that it might commit further
>atrocities against Israel.
>>
>>By all means say what you think, but you are really not qualified to
>>tell me what I think. 
>
>	True enough.  But he who says A, says B.
>
>	You want the Israelis to keep Hamas alive, despite knowing that
>that Hamas intends to conduct more atrocities against Israel. 
>	Despite your claims to compassion, objectively you are on the side
>of more atrocities, more blood shed, more forever war, and no peace.


Stop lying.


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