Re: The Truth That WCR Believers Run From... #1

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 11:25:08 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> My Scenario Part 1 
> 
> First - a quick review is in order. I've demonstrated that I will do 
> precisely what I say I will: to wit, I will match in length, detail, 
> and number of citations any scenario posted by a believer. I've done 
> so repeatedly, and invariably, believers then run away. 

  Ben is tedious with his lying. When I posted a scenario he removed it.
 
> From Walter F. Graf and Richard R. Bartholomew: 
> 
> "From the beginning, there has been no reason to deny the conspiracy. 

  Or to believe one occurred.

> Four of the seven Warren Commissioners -- the majority -- including 
> the Commission's chairman, Chief Justice Earl Warren, expressed doubts 
> about the Commission's conclusions within a decade of their report. 

  Meaningless, empty claim.

> They were joined by a fifth Commissioner in 1978, when John J. McCloy 
> told the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA), that "I no 
> longer feel we had no credible evidence or reliable evidence in regard 
> to a conspiracy...."

  Cherry picked out of context quotes aren`t very impressive.

> Lyndon Johnson never believed the report he 
> commissioned. The official policy of the FBI is that the case is not 
> closed, a policy begun by J. Edgar Hoover himself. And those were the 
> people who had supposedly found the truth. 
> 
> By any standard of historiography, the lone-assassin scenario must be 
> considered a minority opinion which is contrary to the known evidence. 

  Meaningless, empty claim.

> Yet that is not enough for a vocal minority of conspiracy deniers." 

  Where are the people who can show conspiracy?
 
> Unfortunately, the sole kook who kept referring to the "historical 
> record" - has left this forum, and refuses to defend himself anymore. 
> But as Graf & Bartholomew point out, there never has been anything 
> other than a minority opinion which is CONTRARY TO THE KNOWN 
> EVIDENCE...

 Empty claims look so much better in all caps.

> as I write this scenario, I'll be pointing out time and 
> time again the evidence which conflicts with the tale told by the 
> Commission (and not even supported by a majority of those 
> Commissioners as more information came to light.) 

  Who cares about "conflicts"? People gave all sorts of differing shot numbers, so any possibility has conflicting evidence.
 
> Now, while it's true that I've challenged believers many times to post 
> their scenario, it's clear that Conan was the last believer who would 
> ever *DARE* do so. 

  You are simply lying.
 
> And Chickenshit is going to continue to claim that no scenario has 
> ever been posted by a critic. 

  I will continue to tell the truth.
 
> He'll be lying, of course... watch, as I dismantle the Warren 
> Commission's case and present my scenario... 
> 
> (And yes, it's impossible to post a conspiratorial scenario *without* 
> demolishing the Warren Commission's.) 
> 
> This **IS** a scenario - despite any whining from believers who can't 
> post their scenario... and it does indeed conflict with, and explain 
> the evidence better than the Warren Commission did. 

  Meaningless, empty claim.
 
> This post, in all it's parts, meets ANY POSSIBLE DEFINITION of 
> "scenario" that Chickenshit can post... yet I predict that he'll deny 
> that I've posted a scenario... watch for it! 

  I will continue to tell the truth.
 
> The most interesting beginning for any investigation into the 
> assassination would be the two prior assassination attempts - one in 
> Chicago, and one in Tampa. (Some would also include Miami and LA 
> attempts.) Believers like to deny these - but the Tampa attempt was 
> documented in the newspaper -

 Does appearing in a newspaper determine truth?

> so believers are stuck with accepting a 
> fact that they cannot explain. 

  You refuse to establish these attempts existed.
 
> http://thechicagoplot.com/The%20Chicago%20Plot.pdf 
> http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2012/07/tampa-plot-in-retrospect.html 
> So we have a background of attempted assassination attempts in the 
> weeks before the successful one...

  Meaningless, empty claim.

> most people would find it hard to 
> believe that all three plots were not connected in some manner - this 
> is simply common sense. And when you do a comparison of the potential 
> patsies, it becomes difficult indeed to reject the common sense 
> conspiracy: 
> 
> https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/the-three-failed-plots-to-kill-jfk-the-historians-guide-on-how-to-research-his-assassination#PointsOfComparison 
> It's truly amusing to note that *NO* believer has ever publicly 
> acknowledged these previous assassination attempts, or explained them 
> in terms of a lone assassin. 

  You refuse to establish them.

>The Warren Commission certainly did not - 
> and that's a *MAJOR* failing for such a large investigation to have 
> missed. 
> 
> Any *real* investigation would certainly start with a search for 
> anything unusual that had PRECEDED the murder - in order to shed light 
> on the murder itself. 

 Bitch, bitch, bitch.

>This is simply common sense, and something that 
> real investigators do routinely. Wife dies? Check to see if the 
> husband recently paid for a new insurance policy. Post Office shot up 
> by suspect? Examine his prior history with the Post Office, examine 
> how sane he was in the weeks prior... etc. 

  Perhaps they just looked at information correctly. To this day no one has made a compelling argument that there were any serious previous assassination attempts against Kennedy.

> As David Talbot observed: "Kennedy was, in fact, being methodically 
> stalked in the final weeks of his life... In the final month of his 
> life, John Kennedy seemed a marked man, encircled by a tightening knot 
> of treachery." 

  So the huge, elaborate conspiracy that existed in Dallas was also in pace in other cities. So huge, complex, elaborate fantastic plots that couldn`t even occur once happened three times.
 
> The Warren Commission refused to do any investigation WHATSOEVER into 
> these prior assassination attempts, and the Secret Service provably 
> helped by not providing any information to the Warren Commission... 
> This is a fact that cannot be explained by believers in any credible 
> manner. 

  The fact that you can`t make a compelling argument for them (one that can stand against scrutiny, critical thinking and reason) says it all.

>Indeed, in later years the Secret Service intentionally 
> destroyed files that would be requested by the HSCA & ARRB, and 
> *should* have been examined by the Warren Commission. 

  Empty claim.
 
> Chickenshit will not even *try* to provide non-conspiratorial 
> explanations for these facts. Watch! I've predicted it. 

  That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
 
> (And the first time this was posted, Chickenshit indeed simply ran 
> from each of these posts - never responding to a single one of them. 

  Is there any reason to believe you have any interest in an honest exchange of ideas?

  If you were you would have started a post outlining all the reasons there are to believe there were plans to kill Kennedy in Tampa and Chicago. That will never happen.

> But let's not forget Chuckles, Von Penis, Corbutt, and Huckster's 
> cowardice as well.)

 Another invitation to play Ben`s crooked games, how boring.