Keep Your Shirt On: 'Topless' Question Fails

On Nov 3, 11:35=A0am, Zee <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Nov 3, 1:26=A0pm, Nudiarist <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > On Nov 3, 1:11=A0pm, Anna <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > On Nov 3, 10:06=A0am, Nudiarist <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > On Nov 3, 12:27=A0pm, Anna <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > On Nov 3, 4:41=A0am, Nudiarist <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > On Nov 2, 4:20=A0pm, Anna <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > > On Nov 2, 1:00=A0pm, Zee <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > On Nov 2, 2:44=A0pm, Anna <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > On Nov 2, 12:02=A0pm, James Dale Guckert <[email protected]=
om> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 2, 9:41=A0am, Anna <[email protected]> wrote=
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> > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 1, 10:45=A0pm, James Dale Guckert <Dipt...@Yah=
oo.Invalid> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/1/10 4:43 PM, Anna wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 1, 4:12 pm, Alex Heney<[email protected]> =
=A0wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Can you imagine how it must have been around th=
e pool?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > >> No, because I have no knowledge of any of the pe=
ople involved beyond
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> what has been reported.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > >> But I would be extremely surprised if it were an=
ything remotely like
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> what you suggest.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > They socialized among themselves at Lupin Lodge. =
That's where the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > proposition would have occurred.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, please recreate the scene for us again... in mo=
re vivid detail.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Pretty please. Your imagination is *so* nasty.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > JDG
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> > > > > > > > > > > Around the pool.
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> > > > > > > > > > <cut to porn soundtrack>
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> > > > > > > > > > You really do have a dirty mind and a hyperactive imagi=
nation.
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> > > > > > > > > > Also: You really are a hypocrite.
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> > > > > > > > > > JDG
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> > > > > > > > > Look, I might find them as being perverts, I might consid=
er them
> > > > > > > > > sleazy but if they don't hurt an unconsenting person and =
they don't
> > > > > > > > > involved minors then live and let live. =A0I even want th=
em to have
> > > > > > > > > places to practice their perversions.
>
> > > > > > > > > But, I am not going to be all political correct and not c=
all them what
> > > > > > > > > I consider them as being - perverts and sleazy!
>
> > > > > > > > > And, at a nudist resort they are hurting unconsenting peo=
ple by the
> > > > > > > > > atmosphere they create there. And they would be involving=
 children if
> > > > > > > > > there are any children there who can hear what they are t=
alking
> > > > > > > > > about. =A0If they can't behave themselves so people are n=
ot aware of
> > > > > > > > > their lifestyle (though I would think they couldn't help =
at least
> > > > > > > > > giving off a sleazy vibe) then they have no place at a nu=
dist venue.
>
> > > > > > > > > Most people who go to nudist venues what to practice nudi=
sm as
> > > > > > > > > advertised. =A0They don't want to be around a bunch of pe=
ople who
> > > > > > > > > practice group sex, or swinging, or homosexuality, or BDS=
M, or three-
> > > > > > > > > somes or the like. If they did, they would join some so c=
alled "Sex
> > > > > > > > > Positive" club and practice their social nudity there. An=
d of course
> > > > > > > > > most people don't want their children around such people =
who feel free
> > > > > > > > > to at least talk about if not solicit others into their p=
erverted
> > > > > > > > > sexual lifestyle.
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> > > > > > > > > If these so called "sex positive" people can't hide their=
 sexual
> > > > > > > > > lifestyle, they shouldn't go to nudist venues where they =
really do
> > > > > > > > > ruin the atmosphere for real nudists.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > > > > > Anna...you are a good person and mean well....but since you=
 state of
> > > > > > > > having no experience where the rubber meets the road....act=
ual time
> > > > > > > > spent at real nudist facilities....would you not feel wierd=
 or
> > > > > > > > frustrated or embarrassed or depressed at spending time wit=
h a bunch
> > > > > > > > of real nudist only to find out that they are the same as t=
he perverts
> > > > > > > > but talk a different talk and actually carry on like the
> > > > > > > > perverts.....you could go clothed to a couple and find...wo=
w that ol z
> > > > > > > > was right....i cannot believe my eyes that all these folks =
are the
> > > > > > > > same and they have been lying all these years.....sure nudi=
st are all
> > > > > > > > different in their sexual desires just like textiles but th=
ey all have
> > > > > > > > their child unfriendly behaviors that they cannot refraim f=
rom
> > > > > > > > exhibiting in public....z
>
> > > > > > > I guess when I think of nudism I think of like how skinny dip=
ping was
> > > > > > > back in the time where things wasn't so crowded and it was mu=
ch easier
> > > > > > > to find an isolated lake or somewhere like that and take my c=
lothes
> > > > > > > off and just be, without people judging if =A0I shouldn't be =
seen nude
> > > > > > > because of my age. =A0I have that opportunity at my property =
and
> > > > > > > certainly I would like everyone who wants such an opportunity=
 to have
> > > > > > > it. =A0Nude doesn't have to be Lewd. But it does seem that Le=
wd people
> > > > > > > are attracted to wherever nudity is practiced. I certainly do=
n't even
> > > > > > > think they make a majority of nudists. Most nudists can't eve=
n imagine
> > > > > > > such people and their concepts of nudity. In the end it's the=
ir
> > > > > > > innocence that gets them as to practice nudism one has to hav=
e an
> > > > > > > innocent mindset at least during the time they are there. =A0=
The Lewd
> > > > > > > don't want to have such a mindset and even if they did one wo=
nders if
> > > > > > > that's even possible for them.
>
> > > > > > > Nudism seems idyllic to me but perhaps too idyllic in a world=
 with
> > > > > > > imperfect people who judge if one "should be seen nude" and w=
ho looks
> > > > > > > at nude lewdly. =A0It takes a lot of willpower to counteract =
the social
> > > > > > > conditioning and perhaps even natural biological predispositi=
on to see
> > > > > > > nudity among mixed genders as anything but lewd. Some can't h=
ave that
> > > > > > > ability or even want to develop that ability of maintaining a=
 pure
> > > > > > > mind. Nudism needs perfect love and perfect trust to exist an=
d
> > > > > > > especially the perfect trust part gives an opening to those w=
ho have a
> > > > > > > prurient intent. Like I said, I don't think it represents mos=
t nudists
> > > > > > > but I do think there's a significant minority that this does =
apply
> > > > > > > to. =A0If it didn't you wouldn't have seen Paradise Lakes, Ca=
liente and
> > > > > > > the Four Season Nudist Park (and probably Lupin Lodge) go the=
 way it
> > > > > > > has.
>
> > > > > > The broken record that is "Anna" keeps harping on this "idyllic=
"
> > > > > > notion. Did you know that the word "Utopia" literally means "no
> > > > > > place"?
>
> > > > > And therefore there is no place that nudism can be practiced safe=
ly.
> > > > > While most nudists are just good hearted ordinary people, nude al=
so
> > > > > attracts the lewd that makes it dangerous for the rest.
>
> > > > Completely absurd conclusion, based upon your own inner demons, and
> > > > having nothing to do with reality. Since nudism was founded in
> > > > Germany, as a means of rediscovering man's relationship to nature i=
n
> > > > an increasingly industrialized world, literally millions of people
> > > > have practiced nude recreation in a healthy and safe manner. Clothe=
s-
> > > > Free vacationing is one of the fastest growing segment of the trave=
l
> > > > industry. It's far, far more dangerous to get into your car and go =
to
> > > > the grocery store. With every paranoid post you reveal more about h=
ow
> > > > psychotic and socially infantile you really are.
>
> > > > nudiarist
> > > > Diary of a Nudisthttp://www.nudiarist.blogspot.com
>
> > > You even admitted that you have run into "Swingers" (for the lack of =
a
> > > better word) while practicing nudism.
>
> > > And most nudist resorts have sometime in the past, it might have been
> > > 20 or 30 years ago but sometime in their past a situation of
> > > molestation.
>
> > > I have never said that nudists by and large aren't good people. In
> > > fact I have said the exact opposite. But nude does also attract the
> > > lewd and while they may be a minority, they push nudism which is very=
,
> > > very close to the line, over the line.
>
> > > Nudism has to be practiced carefully. And as you said yourself there
> > > is no Utopia.
>
> > Yes, and I've been sexually propositioned by a next-door neighbor's
> > wife when I was 15, a Catholic priest when I was 18, my girlfriend's
> > roommate when I was 22, my friend's wife when I was 24, etc. If you
> > are looking for a place on earth to escape all the "dangers" of human
> > sexuality, then put yourself in a grave.
>
> > The only "line" here is in your warped imagination.
>
> > nudiarist
> > Diary of a Nudisthttp://www.nudiarist.blogspot.com-Hide quoted text -
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> hey asshole if you dont like the way the textiles have got everything
> fixed....tell them about it....run for a political office and see how
> far you get....


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Pittsfield Woman Wanted The Right To Go Shirtless

BOSTON -- It was perhaps the most provocative question on a ballot in
Massachusetts Tuesday: the attempt to redefine nudity so that women
could go shirtless while walking, biking or swimming in public.

However, the initiative of Katherine Gundelfinger, 39, of Pittsfield,
to give women the same rights as men was resoundingly defeated by
voters in the Third Berkshire District.

There were just 2,934 votes in favor of the question, while 6,855
voted against it.

"I think it was a complete waste of time for most people," Jim
Watroba, of Pittsfield, told the Berkshire Eagle. "They're not doing
this anywhere in public."

Gundelfinger has pushed for passage under what she called a woman=92s
"equal access to sunshine=94

=93Here I am, a grown woman, who can=92t go for a swim and feel the sun on
my chest and feel comfortable,=92=92 Gundelfinger said before the
election. She declined comment after the votes were counted.

The question, which was nonbinding, was on the ballot only in the
Third Berkshire District and proposed to change the legal definition
of nudity, so that the same rules apply to both men and women.

=93Absolutely not, I voted no," said Denise Yon of Pittsfield. "I have a
12-year-old daughter. Clearly, the vote is no. And I asked everyone
around me, and they said no, too."

The district has about 40,000 residents and 230 signed Gundelfinger=92s
petition, which placed the question on the ballot.