Re: Nothing of ruining an image when it is an honest, non-disguised and factual presentation

On Jan 23, 7:52=A0pm, Anna <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jan 22, 1:41=A0pm, Neosapienis <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Hey Peter,
>
> > The 'nudist image' has been ruined at least as far back as 1968 when
> > many students and peace movement activists took nudity to a new level
> > out of the clubs and secluded beaches and onto college and university
> > campuses, the streets, rock festivals such as 'Woodstock'.
>
> Took a very big hit back then and then you had the "Nudist Moppets"
> mag and all that scandal.
>
> > How terrible! =A0It killed nudism, caused all the clubs and campgrounds
> > to close down due to lack of support,
>
> Caused many clubs to close down but many survived.
>
> >caused a major uprising in the
> > crime rate especially sex crimes.
>
> You really did see that in the 1970s and 1980s and even into the 1990s
> but as the baby boomers got older it was harder and harder for them to
> commit sex crimes.
>
> > It's easier to tell people that the moon is made out of green cheese
> > than the nudist world's untimely death in 1971.
>
> It sure did suffer back then.
>
> > In reality, traditional nudist clubs and progressive nude events like
> > the WNBR, Confest and WNGD will continue to exist with and without
> > us.
>
> They ebb and flow.
>
> >=A0Plus there is *no* crime wave. =A0Crimes committed are always
> > proportionate to the society they occur in, they just get more
> > televised.
>
> There was an increase of crime during the 1970s-1990s. Especially sex
> crimes. After all they were raised in the era of "everything goes" and
> it took society a lot of time before it reasserted that no, there are
> limits on behavior.
>
> > Dario
>
> > Some of these conservative nudists have virtually no sense of
> > foresight and logic
>
> Nudists just want an safe and comfortable environment to be nude.
> Period. =A0They don't want all this sexual crap. They don't want to be
> associated with gays or polyamorous people. They just want to be
> nude. =A0Most can't afford 50 acres out in the middle of nowhere (I know
> how lucky I am but it was after a lifetime of work). =A0And finding
> isolated places out in the wilderness just isn't as easy as it once
> was.
>
> Perhaps Dario you want to experience something different than nudism.
> GREAT, find a nude (Not Nudist) environment that satisfies your tastes
> but for those who do want to be nudists please don't ruin it for them.
>
> The only thing I really have against the White Cockatoo is that people
> keep calling it a nudist venue. I mean sure it's immoral but as long
> as no third party is getting hurt I am (believe it or not) pretty live
> and let live in the sense that I wouldn't use laws to shut it down.
> Just keep it a "brown paper wrapper" where it belongs and yeah,
> consenting adults, no non consenting third party getting harmed, go
> for it.
>
> But don't call it nudist or naturist because it isn't.

Anna...you or i cannot expect a business. like the cockatoo or TGB or
any other business to solicit not whomever they choose...and if we
cant keep the president from lying everyday....we certainly cannot
expect businesses or individuals to tell the truth....it is all about
money....you and i do not have a vested interest in the situation one
way or the other....maybe most nudist do not give a shit what they are
called....what do you think.....certainly swingers and sex seekers
would serve themselves well to solicit nudist from nudist camps ...if
they get one out of 100....thats one customer they did not have....can
you really blame them......i used to solicit at nudist camps to my
dance club...and they would say...is there any nudist down
there...sure and pervs too.....it is all one big family.....and
entirely up to the owners.....jz