Re: Betrayel

On 8/8/2024 2:01 PM, slider wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Aug 2024 03:02:48 +0100, liaM <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> On 8/7/2024 11:07 PM, slider wrote:
>>> On Wed, 07 Aug 2024 21:53:44 +0100, David Dalton <[email protected]> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Aug 7, 2024, slider wrote
>>>> (in article <op.2r5imgxw7eafsp@slider>):
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 07 Aug 2024 12:18:05 +0100, liaM<[email protected]>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > On 8/7/2024 4:08 AM, slider wrote:
>>>>> > > On Tue, 06 Aug 2024 21:07:55 +0100, kami<[email protected]>  wrote:
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > > On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 23:17:18 +0200, Venus as a Boy wrote:
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > > https://slowspacetemplehealing.help/2024/08/02/betrayel/
>>>>> > > > >
>>>>> > > > > The christian church, not Christ, go hand in hand with 
>>>>> psychiatry,
>>>>> > > > > they
>>>>> > > > > say only maybe a few hundred or thousand can be healers, 
>>>>> have christ
>>>>> > > > > consciousnes if any one, or be seers etc., but according to 
>>>>> indigenous
>>>>> > > > > people "mental sick" persons could be chosen to heal (see 
>>>>> homepage)
>>>>> > > > > etc...
>>>>> > > > > According to Phil Borges information that about 20 % of the 
>>>>> population
>>>>> > > > > at least in the west are diagnosed with "mentall illness" 
>>>>> you can
>>>>> > > > > calculate that about 1.6 billion people probably worldwide 
>>>>> could be
>>>>> > > > > considered healers or seers or anything spiritual help for
>>>>> > > > > humanity....
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > that is just delusional thinking, romanticising defects as 
>>>>> doped alloy.
>>>>> > > ### - not really, in india for example mentally ill/challenged 
>>>>> people
>>>>> > > are
>>>>> > > considered to have been blessed by the spirit, and are revered...
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > As in many tribal cultures, people are not thrown to the street 
>>>>> or to
>>>>> > Gaza when they happen not to belong to the dominant sects.
>>>>>
>>>>> ### - there have been enough cases of that though: the inuits used 
>>>>> to put
>>>>> granny out on the ice when her teeth wore down; no longer of any 
>>>>> practical
>>>>> use and a drain on precious resources they simply threw her away? 
>>>>> (which
>>>>> all seems a bit callous to me lol)
>>>>>
>>>>> so no, not only in cases where society took pity on others for 
>>>>> whatever
>>>>> reason and tried to look after them (although undoubtedly there was 
>>>>> some
>>>>> of that too, particularly in families unlike the inuit) but because it
>>>>> was/became generally recognised that spiritually advanced people often
>>>>> behaved in unusual, sometimes seemingly totally crazy ways! the 
>>>>> average
>>>>> man in the street being unable to discern genuine madness from those
>>>>> spiritually advanced, it became normal to consider that that might 
>>>>> be the
>>>>> case and so rather than shunning them like they do today, they 
>>>>> honoured &
>>>>> revered them instead...
>>>>
>>>> "Seven years your right, under a flagstone, in a quagmire,
>>>> Without food, without taste, but the thirst you ever torturing,
>>>> The law of the judges your lesson, and prayer your language:
>>>> And if you like to return You will be, for a time, a Druid, perhaps.”
>>>> (Ancient Irish Poem)
>>>>
>>>> (but of course I have had 4X7 so far)
>>>  ### - that's actually very nice... but there are modern equivalents 
>>> too...
>>>  e.g., "genius is often touched with madness", or "there's no such 
>>> thing as genius that isn't touched by madness"
>>>  or an even better one said by mick jagger in the film 'Performance'
>>>  https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_idn3bWXMl0
>>>  "i'll tell you this: the only performance that makes it, that really 
>>> makes it, that makes it all the way, is the one that achieves 
>>> madness, right? am i right? you with me?"
>>>  a truly great movie ;)
>>>
>>
>> Anyone living in a small village or commune, where nearly everyone
>> is an acquaintance or friend, knows that there's not a single
>> person or child that is not distinctly different from everyone else.
>> In such a place, a person has to be accepting else become a pariah of 
>> sorts, the sort of person who makes a case of his or her difference.
> 
> ### - i dunno what point you're making b'coz there's either such a thing 
> as 'genius' or there isn't, there's either such a thing as 
> 'sages/advanced' human beings, or there aren't...

My point, after years of being one with life on the planet, is that its 
every living or dead artefact has a distinct, individual and inviolable 
genius.  Check walmart for the antennae to plug into your
phone to reveal the riches that your mind has yet to experience.

Betcha.


> 
> the current 'point' under debate is whether or not such things as a 
> spiritual range actually exists for human beings or not, and that if it 
> does exist the question then arises: are so called mad/insane people, by 
> dint of being different in some way to average, actually any closer to 
> it than say the average man in the street is...
> 
> well, imho the average man in the street - so called normal people - are 
> the farthest thing from being sane (is a football mob sane??) and thus 
> 'anything' that's departs from that so-called 'norm' is always gonna be 
> closer to the genuinely spiritual than the norms are, some only a 
> little, some maybe a lot, many not at all because they're just simply 
> damaged/deranged...
> 
> this being something only a genuinely advanced person would be able to 
> accurately discern, and about which average people could only opine...