Re: Betrayel

On Thu, 08 Aug 2024 12:41:06 +0100, kami <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Wed, 07 Aug 2024 21:32:12 +0100, slider wrote:
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>> On Wed, 07 Aug 2024 11:15:44 +0100, kami <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>> On Wed, 07 Aug 2024 03:08:24 +0100, slider wrote:
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>>>> On Tue, 06 Aug 2024 21:07:55 +0100, kami <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 23:17:18 +0200, Venus as a Boy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://slowspacetemplehealing.help/2024/08/02/betrayel/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The christian church, not Christ, go hand in hand with psychiatry,
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> say only maybe a few hundred or thousand can be healers, have christ
>>>>>> consciousnes if any one, or be seers etc., but according to  
>>>>>> indigenous
>>>>>> people "mental sick" persons could be chosen to heal (see homepage)
>>>>>> etc...
>>>>>> According to Phil Borges information that about 20 % of the  
>>>>>> population
>>>>>> at least in the west are diagnosed with "mentall illness" you can
>>>>>> calculate that about 1.6 billion people probably worldwide could be
>>>>>> considered healers or seers or anything spiritual help for
>>>>>> humanity....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> that is just delusional thinking, romanticising defects as doped  
>>>>> alloy.
>>>>
>>>> ### - not really, in india for example mentally ill/challenged people
>>>> are
>>>> considered to have been blessed by the spirit, and are revered...
>>>
>>>
>>> no, they are locked up in institutions i belive, same as everywhere  
>>> else.
>>
>> ### - nowadays maybe they are haha, but that's not at all the point am
>> making here, or even anything to do with it other than to perhaps now
>> observe/suggest that india has subsequently become more callous to such
>> things because science is clearly beginning to replace religion in  
>> india,
>> exactly as it was designed to do...
>>
>> the 'real' point (my original point in relation to the OP's
>> observation/assertion) is that india has always been heavily steeped in
>> religion as being their reason-d'etre for just about everything they  
>> did,
>> and remained that way for millennia... it having perhaps since changed  
>> in
>> no way detracting from their history of generally treating people
>> suffering from, what 'modern' man now calls 'mental illness' as having
>> been blessed by the spirit in some way and thus holy-er than the average
>> man in the street... known sages and mystics throughout history often
>> being renown for their eccentric behaviour and for speaking in seeming
>> riddles and stuff, and that consequently such people were closer to the
>> spirit/god, or whatever you wanna call it, than your average law abiding
>> citizen...
>>
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>>>
>>> similar to the autism spectrum, there is a non-conformist spectrum as
>>> well,
>>> and past a certain point, it has diminishing returns.
>>
>> ### - ah yes, the clear mark of modern man, whose rationally identified
>> and then categorised all the different so-called mental illnesses, every
>> single one of which is considered to be something less (or lacking)
>> compared to the average man in the street, and thus dismissed and looked
>> down on as being 2nd class citizens...
>>
>> whereas, in reality, 'some' of them could in fact be budding sages,  
>> except
>> modern man doesn't care about that anymore, and because, let's face it,
>> mentally challenged people of any description or type don't exactly make
>> very reliable factory workers huh, and that's basically all modern man  
>> is
>> looking for these days because science has them by the balls in more or
>> less exactly the same way religion once did ;)
>
>
> does one have to be "mentally ill" in order to be a sage or have a closer
> connection to a higher whatever?
>
> another problem is, why are only speficic individuals "blessed" with this
> gift, while rest of the population has to contend with no connection? are
> they less deserving in effect? less deserving from birth unto death,
> regardless of their actions in life?

### - this is better... because it brings into debate whether or not such  
a thing as mental illness actually exists or not, or is that whole subject  
just an impression formulated by the likes of modern science and/or  
unthinking people who can't understand (or are intolerant of) anything  
that's maybe different to normal...

specific individuals only standing out at all because they're clearly  
different in some way, an exaggerated difference in most instances that  
demands opinions to be formed about their behaviour by the people around  
them, perhaps because it's so eccentric... modern science basically just  
dismissing/dodging the whole question altogether by labeling anything  
different to normal as being aberrant to varying degrees on some kind of  
sliding-scale (only a little bit crazy to completely nuts hah!)

that perhaps our so-called standard 'normal' is, in reality, just a  
specific + rather average configuration shared by a majority, a standard  
accepted norm that's evolved down the centuries into what it stands for  
today... and thus anyone who can't (or wont) comply with that standard  
norm is considered 'odd' in some way, from being just a little bit odd to  
being very odd indeed!

that it's clearly nada to do with specific individuals being 'blessed' or  
not in some manner while others have to go without, it's about the  
randomness of nature and the average example of humanity nature tends to  
arrive at, with plenty examples of it not quite hitting the mark in every  
instance with things perhaps being less or more falling on either side of  
that average line...

that if being 'different' in some way can at all be considered to be a  
good thing (as many times it has indeed been proven to be) then anyone  
who's 'different' from birth, or ends up that way, is just lucky in that  
sense, merely the result of some random genetic configuration or even  
defect that allows for other possibilities of perception to creep into  
their equation by default...

which doesn't mean to say/imply that ordinary average people are thus  
barred from ever experiencing such things as well, far from it, only that  
some people, by dint of whatever, just so happen to be born that way a bit  
closer to it all by default, they might even have an edge over the norms  
in that respect and as such maybe even demonstrate a flair for it...

e.g., via research i've done into waking dreams and their connection to  
hallucinations, am convinced that so called schizophrenics 'could'  
potentially be the ultimate connoisseurs of waking dream states, or WILDs  
as they're called... mainly because here is someone in whom that  
particular door into the psyche is already wide open to varying  
extents/degrees, call it a glitch or an aberration or whatever, but if  
they could ever learn to 'control' it rather than being victims of it,  
they'd likely be able to probe & explore those dream states like no one  
else! They'd be the very best! :)