Re: Betrayel
slider <[email protected]>
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On Thu, 08 Aug 2024 18:31:54 +0100, someone <[email protected]> wrote: > slider wrote: >> kami wrote: > >>> does one have to be "mentally ill" in order to be a sage or have a >>> closer >>> connection to a higher whatever? >>> >>> another problem is, why are only speficic individuals "blessed" with >>> this >>> gift, while rest of the population has to contend with no connection? >>> are >>> they less deserving in effect? less deserving from birth unto death, >>> regardless of their actions in life? >> >> ### - this is better... because it brings into debate whether or not >> such >> a thing as mental illness actually exists or not, > > Definitions exist. > Meanings used in contexts often vary. > To be a sage, to have a closer connection to a higher whatever. ### - definitions exist today that will appear to be total nonsense tomorrow, thus definitions vary and yes, the term 'sage' is suggestive of an average man whose become educated/wise way beyond the expected/accepted average... > Eckhart Tolle might be seen as enlightened, or not. > Prior to an experience he was very depressed. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eckhart_Tolle > > Whether he has a connection to the Present > or is a charlatan woo-guy could be an interpretation. ### - emulating a sage doesn't make you one + only other genuinely enlightened people would be truly able to discern which is which... anything less is/can only ever be interpretation/opinion only > Non-dualists who speak of non-dualism often smile. > They may know, know better than to say, yet speak. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepak_Chopra > > Deepak Chopra might not have suffered from any type > of mental phenomena different from others who had > a mystical or religious type of unity-consciousness trip. ### - agreed, maybe because there's really only the one enlightenment, the one Truth, albeit described in varying, perhaps very personal, ways... > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neem_Karoli_Baba > > Neem Karori Baba was reported to have had an ability > to manifest the paranormal at times. > > Why are some individuals able, at times, and > not at other times is a good question, imo. ### - possibly because it's not something one can nail down to being an exact repeatable science, that it doesn't work like that at all but belongs to something other than the purely rational (am just speculating) > > So-called, normal people, might have abilities > which go without question, unobserved > by even their own selves naturally. ### - absolutely! and all the time! taken for granted abilities interpreted in specific ways designed to forget all about what it might actually be, especially if it goes totally against the expected grain... > > Why some folk can't experience any sort > of a figure-ground reversal may be curious. > Even taking shrooms in a controlled setting > might not do the trick. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_Chapel_Experiment ### - but it does do the trick, every single time, because everyone without exception experiences perceptual oddities given any strong enough psychoactive substance, even alcohol does it... the fact that the person in question doesn't follow through, or up on it, being something else again... they don't expect it to be (or mean) anything more than what it perhaps was, the proof of that being that a highly educated person has a very different experience to that of a completely uneducated one upon taking lsd, so knowledge & agenda can also affect the outcome... iow: it's obviously in everyone to be 'able' to do and to experience these things, whether through drugs or discipline some facet of the psyche becomes active/activated and we experience accordingly, the real question thus being: why, if it's so universal, is it all so generally suppressed/repressed! > > Dao that are dao aren't always the Dao. > > - Cheers! ### - nailing/pinning everything down is the rational world only; a tiny island consisting of a single perceptual option that no one in their right mind + given the choice, would ever choose over everything else ;)