Re: Wind Solar unreliable compared to Gas Coal Nuclear
"Jim Wilkins" <[email protected]> Fri, 12 Jan 2024 09:25:03 -0500
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"Scout" wrote in message news:[email protected]... "Jim Wilkins" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]... > > I briefly covered some of the advantages and disadvantages of that > approach when describing my DIY solar system. To expand, in order to > design one you need a good quantitative understanding of your requirements > and to study and understand the capabilities of the separate modules and > how they interact. > > Specifically an AC refrigerator draws a starting surge current that may > exceed 10 times its run current. You won't find that surge current in its > spec sheet. No, but if you contact the manufacturer directly they should be able to supply that information for any specific model, contact the compressor manufacturer if it was sourced from a different manufacturer. Worst case would require real world testing, or be prepared for the worst case. About the only think I might add is a delay to prevent a rapid restart if power is interrupted. But this was covered above under the "research and consideration" clause. If you don't want to do it.. then design your system for worst case.. I pretty much promise a packaged system isn't necessarily designed to start every fridge out there either. ------------------------- I listed design considerations. Most aren't difficult, you just have to know to look for them, like breakers marked for DC . That fell under my job because the electrical engineers weren't trained in practical considerations like switch contact rating. One I didn't mention is that indoor solar DC wiring is to be in metal conduit, which brings up conduit wire fill and temperature rise derating concerns. Determining starting surge current can be difficult if the equipment is imported or old. Getting specs from China is particularly hard, I went directly to the circuit designer (Liu Liang) for some. Fortunately I haven't had to call Inner Mongolia about a product that was made there. I have a DVM that claims to measure peak values but the result aren't close to the readout for digital oscilloscope traces. Some refrigeration compressors have a thermistor surge limiter that delays an immediate restart attempt, others don't and rely on the 10,000A or more surge capacity of the power grid (breaker short circuit interrupt rating). You have to get past customer service to engineering to find out, which requires knowing how to talk like an engineer yourself. Otherwise I'll be treated like a woman having her car repaired. The IWISS crimper can be awkward and tricky to use and tends to lengthen the crimp sleeve and squeeze metal flash out between the jaws. It's my last resort if I don't have a better tool.