Re: PHP on .NET DLR

On Sun, Aug 12, 2007 at 10:49:12AM +0300, Sancar Saran wrote:
> Novel was fscked by M$. They are M$ puppy, they need M$ money to live thas why 
> they bedding with M$. One upon a time Novell king of the PC networking. How 
> sad. 

 Sad but true. We are not interested in how things should be, only on how things are.

> 
> Also I don't remember anything big running with Mono.

 Yes. Porting the entire .NET would be an impossible task, and they will never succeed, but Silverlight is a subset, and would be clearly possible.


> >
> >  Everyone wants every penny in the world. Heck, even I want every penny in
> > the world. It is just that MS has been the most succesful. That's OK.
> > That's their business, and they are doing it well. Anyway, MSs ethical
> > conduct is irrelevant.
> 
> So use MS tools which MS wants it. MS does not want anybody, anyone, anything 
> other than MS in PC sector.

 MS does engage in unethical business practices. That is yet another thing in their favor. They will do anything to gain the marketshare, and so when they are determined to the server market, I am worried. If they were a bunch people who played nice, I might be able to predict their plans, but with MS, we have no clue. So that's yet another advantage in favor Silverlight: the company behind it is a massive troll.

> >  MS financially supported Tomas and Lada when they were working on
> > phalanger. I don't think MS is the culprit here. There is some reason why
> > MS has dropped PHP, I am trying to figure that out.
> >
> 
> My bet is  "Because of Marketing". PHP on windows was not hot fusss. Even 
> suberbly support doesnt sound good.


 No. MS pulled Lada and Tomas a couple of days before the announcement of Zend-MS alliance. I am betting that it was part of the Zend-MS deal.


> M$ is not suberb tech company. M$ is suberb marketing company.

 Not anymore. Yes. MS has a long way to go. But if you look at their latest products, it would seem MS has finally been able to afford top notch programmers. Just look at their entire attitude: dropping VB, and moving to C. :-) Powershell is really brilliant, and as Mike pointed out, it is insipred from Perl/Python, but to me it is 100% C.
 
> 
> So I'm talking about, PHP was so easy to write programs. Those days 
> browserside was hot and I cannot use php on browser side.
> 
> Javascript, Flash and other things was much complicated to me and my kind. If 
> PHP offers someting on browser side (like xajax and xaja projects) by 
> internally and some standardization for  user input validation in PHP6 it was 
> overkill for that ruby on rocket and silverlighty 2000watt.

 Yes. Exactly. In that case, Silverlight is for you. Silverlight will allow you to write the browserside code ALSO in PHP. No more mucking around with Javascript. Write your entire APP in PHP. So, are you now going to join me in my campaign for PHP on .NET?

 Again, thanks for the conversation.