Re: [PHP-GTK] php-gtk web site

The point is, you're doing it unilaterally. Please discuss this on the open 
mailing lists! (cc'd to php-gtk-webmaster and php-gtk-doc)

- Steph

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "FGM" <[email protected]>
To: "Steph Fox" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [PHP-GTK] php-gtk web site


> Indeed: Andrei's decision is why I host this on my own server, not on the
> yahoo server.
>
> And the very reason (AIUI: spam torrents) why Andrei doesn't want that on
> the yahoo server is also why it's no longer a wiki anyway, but reimported
> into a CMS with up-to-date access control and safety built in and kept
> up-to-date by a large team. And it will have all the wiki pages, that 
> Andrei
> sent me, and which are full of valuable content that had been thrown away
> along with the (huge mass of) spam.
>
> I think important that this content come back online: it's very
> disappointing to any contributor who spent time polishing a contribution 
> for
> a site to site it disappear uncredited and almost without an explanation:
> very destructive for the community, I'd say.
>
> Just like censoring small blogs from the wiki because they were
> insufficiently rich on php-gtk or not up-to-date, actually. This type of
> top-down, severely selective, method basically condemns the team to 
> remains
> tiny because small or lower-level contributions cannot be accepted, and 
> most
> newcomers will never overcome the first hurdles: only the best can
> partcipate, while in other, more successful, communities, just about
> anything goes, and the best float to the top, but anything can be useful 
> and
> remains in sight and serves as a motivator for contributors.
>
> As you say, we're a group, so I've given you the information (your own 
> wiki
> accounts have even been recreated, along all others, to maintain your
> credits: just ask me to unblock your id if you want to contribute too), 
> and
> you can use it for what it is worth to build something greater.
>
> However, I think "we" are rather actually TWO groups, not just one:
> - on the one side, the *eleete* coders doing C stuff at the GTK level that
> gets into the core. About 5, I'd guess.
> - on the others, the others: the one who try to use the stuff, see what
> problems they have, and could do writeups at their own level, never even
> looking at the C-level sources but possibly contributing, tips, tricks,
> tutorials, themes, for all the other members in their group. About 6000
> judging by some download stats, so probably over 100 actually eager to be
> part of a community that just isn't open enought at the moment.
>
> And I'm doing all this work for the second part: the main site is just 
> good
> enough for anyone wishing to enter the first group. Actually, the only 
> area
> on the main site that I think could just as well be on the one I'm doing 
> is
> the two user guides. Although they're already very usable, they could be
> improved in legibility, simplicity, illustrations... and you needn't be a
> pro coder with a php.net account just to write doc. I'd even go as far as
> suggest it's a indrance because in that case you'd rather be coding.
>
> Regarding notes, if it's done as on PHP.net, don't you think it's rather
> terrible for a 21st century UI ? Or maybe it's something more current ?
>
> Frederic
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steph Fox" <[email protected]>
> To: "FGM" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 6:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [PHP-GTK] php-gtk web site
>
>
>> > Er, Steph... I've been reimporting the site content into a full-blown
> CMS,
>> > wiki included, so you needn't really code something specific.
>>
>> Frederic, hi, and huh?
>>
>> Look, we're a group!  We work together, not in isolation. And Andrei has
>> already said he's not willing to host the wiki in any form on the Yahoo!
>> server again.
>>
>> The code for the notes has been in CVS for some months awaiting tests.
>> Andrei tested it a couple of weeks ago and found the issues. I just need
> to
>> fix those issues and switch on the notes via the admin interface.
>>
>> - Steph
>>
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Steph Fox" <[email protected]>
>> > To: "Ryan Huff" <[email protected]>;
> <[email protected]>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 5:06 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [PHP-GTK] php-gtk web site
>> >
>> >
>> >> > Does anyone know when the notes system will be available on
>> >> > gtk.php.net?
>> >>
>> >> I'll be doing it during the PHP conference, so long as Christian
> doesn't
>> >> tickle me!
>> >>
>> >> - Steph
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks
>> >> >
>> >> > -ryan
>> >> >
>> >>
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