Re: [PHP-GTK-DOC] Re: [PHP-GTK] php-gtk web site

Frederic, thank you very much for your work.
Steph, you are correct, we should be coordinating on this.

Let's all work together.

Peace,

-Andrei

P.S. Speaking as a  
soon-to-be-older-and-distinguished-gentleman-of-30-years-of-age- 
tomorrow.

On Nov 1, 2006, at 9:57 AM, Steph Fox wrote:

> The point is, you're doing it unilaterally. Please discuss this on the  
> open mailing lists! (cc'd to php-gtk-webmaster and php-gtk-doc)
>
> - Steph
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "FGM" <[email protected]>
> To: "Steph Fox" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 7:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [PHP-GTK] php-gtk web site
>
>
>> Indeed: Andrei's decision is why I host this on my own server, not on  
>> the
>> yahoo server.
>>
>> And the very reason (AIUI: spam torrents) why Andrei doesn't want  
>> that on
>> the yahoo server is also why it's no longer a wiki anyway, but  
>> reimported
>> into a CMS with up-to-date access control and safety built in and kept
>> up-to-date by a large team. And it will have all the wiki pages, that  
>> Andrei
>> sent me, and which are full of valuable content that had been thrown  
>> away
>> along with the (huge mass of) spam.
>>
>> I think important that this content come back online: it's very
>> disappointing to any contributor who spent time polishing a  
>> contribution for
>> a site to site it disappear uncredited and almost without an  
>> explanation:
>> very destructive for the community, I'd say.
>>
>> Just like censoring small blogs from the wiki because they were
>> insufficiently rich on php-gtk or not up-to-date, actually. This type  
>> of
>> top-down, severely selective, method basically condemns the team to  
>> remains
>> tiny because small or lower-level contributions cannot be accepted,  
>> and most
>> newcomers will never overcome the first hurdles: only the best can
>> partcipate, while in other, more successful, communities, just about
>> anything goes, and the best float to the top, but anything can be  
>> useful and
>> remains in sight and serves as a motivator for contributors.
>>
>> As you say, we're a group, so I've given you the information (your  
>> own wiki
>> accounts have even been recreated, along all others, to maintain your
>> credits: just ask me to unblock your id if you want to contribute  
>> too), and
>> you can use it for what it is worth to build something greater.
>>
>> However, I think "we" are rather actually TWO groups, not just one:
>> - on the one side, the *eleete* coders doing C stuff at the GTK level  
>> that
>> gets into the core. About 5, I'd guess.
>> - on the others, the others: the one who try to use the stuff, see  
>> what
>> problems they have, and could do writeups at their own level, never  
>> even
>> looking at the C-level sources but possibly contributing, tips,  
>> tricks,
>> tutorials, themes, for all the other members in their group. About  
>> 6000
>> judging by some download stats, so probably over 100 actually eager  
>> to be
>> part of a community that just isn't open enought at the moment.
>>
>> And I'm doing all this work for the second part: the main site is  
>> just good
>> enough for anyone wishing to enter the first group. Actually, the  
>> only area
>> on the main site that I think could just as well be on the one I'm  
>> doing is
>> the two user guides. Although they're already very usable, they could  
>> be
>> improved in legibility, simplicity, illustrations... and you needn't  
>> be a
>> pro coder with a php.net account just to write doc. I'd even go as  
>> far as
>> suggest it's a indrance because in that case you'd rather be coding.
>>
>> Regarding notes, if it's done as on PHP.net, don't you think it's  
>> rather
>> terrible for a 21st century UI ? Or maybe it's something more current  
>> ?
>>
>> Frederic
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steph Fox" <[email protected]>
>> To: "FGM" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 6:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [PHP-GTK] php-gtk web site
>>
>>
>>> > Er, Steph... I've been reimporting the site content into a  
>>> full-blown
>> CMS,
>>> > wiki included, so you needn't really code something specific.
>>>
>>> Frederic, hi, and huh?
>>>
>>> Look, we're a group!  We work together, not in isolation. And Andrei  
>>> has
>>> already said he's not willing to host the wiki in any form on the  
>>> Yahoo!
>>> server again.
>>>
>>> The code for the notes has been in CVS for some months awaiting  
>>> tests.
>>> Andrei tested it a couple of weeks ago and found the issues. I just  
>>> need
>> to
>>> fix those issues and switch on the notes via the admin interface.
>>>
>>> - Steph
>>>
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steph Fox" <[email protected]>
>>> > To: "Ryan Huff" <[email protected]>;
>> <[email protected]>
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 5:06 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [PHP-GTK] php-gtk web site
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> > Does anyone know when the notes system will be available on
>>> >> > gtk.php.net?
>>> >>
>>> >> I'll be doing it during the PHP conference, so long as Christian
>> doesn't
>>> >> tickle me!
>>> >>
>>> >> - Steph
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Thanks
>>> >> >
>>> >> > -ryan
>>> >> >
>>> >>
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>>> >
>>>
>>>
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