Re: [PHP-GTK-DOC] Re: [PHP-GTK] php-gtk web site

Happy birthday, you're nearly old already here!


> Frederic, thank you very much for your work.
> Steph, you are correct, we should be coordinating on this.
> 
> Let's all work together.
> 
> Peace,
> 
> -Andrei
> 
> P.S. Speaking as a  
> soon-to-be-older-and-distinguished-gentleman-of-30-years-of-age- 
> tomorrow.
> 
> On Nov 1, 2006, at 9:57 AM, Steph Fox wrote:
> 
>> The point is, you're doing it unilaterally. Please discuss this on the  
>> open mailing lists! (cc'd to php-gtk-webmaster and php-gtk-doc)
>>
>> - Steph
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "FGM" <[email protected]>
>> To: "Steph Fox" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 7:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [PHP-GTK] php-gtk web site
>>
>>
>>> Indeed: Andrei's decision is why I host this on my own server, not on  
>>> the
>>> yahoo server.
>>>
>>> And the very reason (AIUI: spam torrents) why Andrei doesn't want  
>>> that on
>>> the yahoo server is also why it's no longer a wiki anyway, but  
>>> reimported
>>> into a CMS with up-to-date access control and safety built in and kept
>>> up-to-date by a large team. And it will have all the wiki pages, that  
>>> Andrei
>>> sent me, and which are full of valuable content that had been thrown  
>>> away
>>> along with the (huge mass of) spam.
>>>
>>> I think important that this content come back online: it's very
>>> disappointing to any contributor who spent time polishing a  
>>> contribution for
>>> a site to site it disappear uncredited and almost without an  
>>> explanation:
>>> very destructive for the community, I'd say.
>>>
>>> Just like censoring small blogs from the wiki because they were
>>> insufficiently rich on php-gtk or not up-to-date, actually. This type  
>>> of
>>> top-down, severely selective, method basically condemns the team to  
>>> remains
>>> tiny because small or lower-level contributions cannot be accepted,  
>>> and most
>>> newcomers will never overcome the first hurdles: only the best can
>>> partcipate, while in other, more successful, communities, just about
>>> anything goes, and the best float to the top, but anything can be  
>>> useful and
>>> remains in sight and serves as a motivator for contributors.
>>>
>>> As you say, we're a group, so I've given you the information (your  
>>> own wiki
>>> accounts have even been recreated, along all others, to maintain your
>>> credits: just ask me to unblock your id if you want to contribute  
>>> too), and
>>> you can use it for what it is worth to build something greater.
>>>
>>> However, I think "we" are rather actually TWO groups, not just one:
>>> - on the one side, the *eleete* coders doing C stuff at the GTK level  
>>> that
>>> gets into the core. About 5, I'd guess.
>>> - on the others, the others: the one who try to use the stuff, see  
>>> what
>>> problems they have, and could do writeups at their own level, never  
>>> even
>>> looking at the C-level sources but possibly contributing, tips,  
>>> tricks,
>>> tutorials, themes, for all the other members in their group. About  
>>> 6000
>>> judging by some download stats, so probably over 100 actually eager  
>>> to be
>>> part of a community that just isn't open enought at the moment.
>>>
>>> And I'm doing all this work for the second part: the main site is  
>>> just good
>>> enough for anyone wishing to enter the first group. Actually, the  
>>> only area
>>> on the main site that I think could just as well be on the one I'm  
>>> doing is
>>> the two user guides. Although they're already very usable, they could  
>>> be
>>> improved in legibility, simplicity, illustrations... and you needn't  
>>> be a
>>> pro coder with a php.net account just to write doc. I'd even go as  
>>> far as
>>> suggest it's a indrance because in that case you'd rather be coding.
>>>
>>> Regarding notes, if it's done as on PHP.net, don't you think it's  
>>> rather
>>> terrible for a 21st century UI ? Or maybe it's something more current  
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Frederic
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steph Fox" <[email protected]>
>>> To: "FGM" <[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 6:15 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [PHP-GTK] php-gtk web site
>>>
>>>
>>>> > Er, Steph... I've been reimporting the site content into a  
>>>> full-blown
>>> CMS,
>>>> > wiki included, so you needn't really code something specific.
>>>>
>>>> Frederic, hi, and huh?
>>>>
>>>> Look, we're a group!  We work together, not in isolation. And Andrei  
>>>> has
>>>> already said he's not willing to host the wiki in any form on the  
>>>> Yahoo!
>>>> server again.
>>>>
>>>> The code for the notes has been in CVS for some months awaiting  
>>>> tests.
>>>> Andrei tested it a couple of weeks ago and found the issues. I just  
>>>> need
>>> to
>>>> fix those issues and switch on the notes via the admin interface.
>>>>
>>>> - Steph
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steph Fox" <[email protected]>
>>>> > To: "Ryan Huff" <[email protected]>;
>>> <[email protected]>
>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 5:06 PM
>>>> > Subject: Re: [PHP-GTK] php-gtk web site
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> > Does anyone know when the notes system will be available on
>>>> >> > gtk.php.net?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I'll be doing it during the PHP conference, so long as Christian
>>> doesn't
>>>> >> tickle me!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> - Steph
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Thanks
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > -ryan
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
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>>>>
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