Re: [PHP-PEAR] PHPLib and Pear merge

Quoting Sebastian Bergmann <[email protected]>:

>   Some people really miss the point of Open Source, they just demand, but
> don't want to help out.

Yes, but it will always be this way, to some extent. You have to be in it 
because you want or need to be doing it. If you expect the community to pay you 
back in help or appreciation or whatever, you'll be disappointed. If you do it 
because you want to do it, what you _do_ get back will be a bonus. It's 
sometimes hard to keep thinking this way, though.

>   Yesterday, the following thought formed in my head: Why not take the
> classes from PHPLIB that stand for themselves (like Forms, Tree, Menu) and
> "merge" them into the appropriate PEAR/ directories and put the PHPLIB
> Framework (Auth/User/Perm/Page/...) into PEAR/PHPLIB/ as a bundle of
> classes?

I still think that the framework stuff belongs outside of PEAR. But I see no 
reason at all why the form/tree/menu stuff couldn't be merged in - probably 
under HTML/? - and made to use PEAR-style APIs.

We've had the framework discussion before; I think it's going to be really hard 
to agree on standards for it. For instance, I've written my own Auth class that 
will work with pretty much any backend that you want, and doesn't rely on other 
bits of the framework; I'm going to keep using it, since it makes it incredibly 
easy to add authentication to my apps. It doesn't do anything _other_ than 
authentication; permissions are in a seperate system. If people like it that 
way, I could contribute it, but I'm not holding my breath. :) So I've planned 
on just keeping that part of Horde, and I think the phplib auth/user/perm stuff 
should be the same - available as a complete framework, and maybe ported over 
to PEAR, but not part of it.

If we need a PHP Framework Collection or something, I say we do it, and put 
phplib there.

-chuck

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