Re: [UG-ADMINS] [Results] - Vote - Move to a new list

I agree with Adam on this, "private" discussions don't belong in the PHP UG
Group. If it is a private matter, they should go individually speak to
whoever rather than posting it to the entire group. Without actually
utilizing the mailling list myself, I've heard there are alot of challenges
to getting email through php.net, maybe that could be looked at to lighten
the spam filters? We also do already have an IRC channel which can be used
for more intimate conversions if need be. In the grand scheme of things it
seems like what we have "works" but we could make the listserv alittle more
forgiving.

My $2.02 adjusted for inflation.

PS. BenR: http://ug.php.net isn't resolving for me, you seeing the same
thing?

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Adam Culp <[email protected]> wrote:

> I would not be a proponent of a "private" group of any sort. I think the
> very rare situation where someone has a private matter, it is by it's very
> nature private and not meant for group/public consumption. If you want
> something to stay private, don't say/post it in a group. IMO
>
> What I am a proponent of is to look at the functionality of the php.net
> group to fix the issues faced by many when attempting to send messages, and
> other such things. If that means fixing php.net or moving elsewhere is a
> question. But remaining open.
>
> I'm clearly seeing where this vote should have been on only one aspect of
> the decision.
>
> Vote #1: Private/public
> Vote #2: Stay and fix/Move elsewhere
>
> It seems the majority voted "no", but that vote may have meant different
> things to different people.
>
>
> Regards,
> Adam Culp
> 561-870-6361
> Twitter: @adamculp
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>
>
> On 04/26/2016 03:27 PM, Ben Ramsey wrote:
>
>> Staying on php.net does not preclude converting this to a "private"
>> list. The php.net mailing list software can support private lists right
>> now.
>>
>> My concern is in what "private" means to everyone and what level of
>> control the group wants to accept/reject members and/or posts. What does
>> moderation and membership look like for a private global user group
>> leadership mailing list/forum?
>>
>> - Ben
>>
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2016, at 12:33, Sean Prunka <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> It really sounds like there is a strong division between those who want
>>> to
>>> keep it public and those who want to make it private.
>>>
>>> Could we not find a means of doing both, preferably in a single venue?
>>>
>>> Public posts for regular conversations and announcements; private posts
>>> for
>>> sensitive issues?
>>>
>>> I see great value in both of these aspects personally.
>>>
>>> I know staying with the PHP.net mailing list precludes that as a
>>> possibility.
>>>
>>> If the group shares my opinion that both features are valuable, I
>>> volunteer
>>> myself to research a better delivery method that would give us access to
>>> both public and private conversations/posts.
>>>
>>> Then, with one or more possible venues, we can hold a new vote?
>>>
>>> --Sean Prunka
>>> Founder of the long defunct "CHOPUG".
>>>
>>>> On Apr 26, 2016 1:23 PM, "Joe Ferguson" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ugh, listserv is bouncing my emails as well, Clarifying my statement: If
>>>> we want a private place, that could be private google groups, slack
>>>> channel, etc.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> - Joe Ferguson
>>>> JoeFerguson.me
>>>> MemphisPHP.org
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 26, 2016, at 12:21, Cal Evans <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I am against a Slack channel based solely on the fact that slack is
>>>>>
>>>> closed
>>>>
>>>>> source and closed protocol. At least with email, if one vendor shuts
>>>>>
>>>> down,
>>>>
>>>>> we can move to another.
>>>>>
>>>>> IF we were going to discuss the idea of moving off of php.net <
>>>>>
>>>> http://php.net/>, I would
>>>>
>>>>> suggest a google group. The group would be open to anyone to join
>>>>> without
>>>>> verification or validation, but we could easily ban spammers, bad
>>>>> actors,
>>>>> etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just my $0.02 worth,
>>>>> =C=
>>>>> (Beth, Joe, Adam, sorry for the repost, the original bounced. dear lord
>>>>>
>>>> I hate this listserv)
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Joe Ferguson <[email protected]
>>>>>>
>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>> While I’m sad this vote didn’t pass, one thing I draw from the vote is
>>>>>
>>>> that most of us don’t want to move because of the uncertainty of where
>>>> that
>>>> move would be to? My yes vote was purely based on a few discussions
>>>> around
>>>> having a private place to discuss sensitive matters among other user
>>>> group
>>>> leaders. I think there is still value to do something like that. A
>>>> private
>>>> google group (mailing list) would work well for this. Alternatively, as
>>>> much as I dislike Slack, this seems like a valid use case for it. A
>>>> private
>>>> slack channel (on the phpug slack would likely fit best assuming the
>>>> admins
>>>> there are open to it) would probably be the best fit.
>>>>
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>> --
>>>>> - Joe Ferguson
>>>>> JoeFerguson.me
>>>>> MemphisPHP.org
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 26, 2016, at 12:04, Adam Culp <[email protected] <mailto:
>>>>>>
>>>>> [email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Beth for finalizing this. While I was a proponent of the
>>>>>>
>>>>> group remaining open, which prompted my "no" vote, I liked the idea of
>>>> moving it somewhere more functional. (the vote was combined)
>>>>
>>>>> I would love to see someone (with more time than I have) either
>>>>>>
>>>>> interact with the php.net <http://php.net/> team to make this better,
>>>> or
>>>> perhaps cast another follow-up campaign to move the list to anther place
>>>> that is still open but has more functional.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Adam Culp
>>>>>> 561-870-6361 <tel:561-870-6361>
>>>>>> Twitter: @adamculp
>>>>>> Tech Blog: http://geekyboy.com <http://geekyboy.com/>
>>>>>> Podcast: http://rungeekradio.com <http://rungeekradio.com/>
>>>>>> Running Blog: http://crazyfloridian.com <http://crazyfloridian.com/>
>>>>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/adamculp <
>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/adamculp>
>>>>
>>>>> On 04/26/2016 12:18 PM, Beth Tucker Long wrote:
>>>>>>> Here is the tally of the vote we took in March:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 14 - No
>>>>>>> 12 - Yes
>>>>>>> -----------
>>>>>>> Motion fails.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is the breakdown of the votes I have:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -1 (PHP Hampshire - James Titcumb)
>>>>>>> -1 (SoFloPHP - Adam Culp)
>>>>>>> -1 (PHP Minds - Antonios Pavlakis)
>>>>>>> -1 (New York PHP - Hans Zaunere)
>>>>>>> -1 (PHP Argentina - Mariano Iglesias)
>>>>>>> -1 (PHPBenelux - Michelangelo van Dam)
>>>>>>> -1 (DPHPDC - Jun Notz)
>>>>>>> -1 (PHPBelfast - Tim Swann)
>>>>>>> -1 (ZgPHP - Luka Muzinic)
>>>>>>> -1 (BrightonPHP - Rich Sage)
>>>>>>> -1 (PHPSW - Oliver Davies)
>>>>>>> -1 (AmsterdamPHP - Rafael Dohms)
>>>>>>> -1 (PHP Jagruti - Ajinkya Nahar)
>>>>>>> -1 (Milwaukee PHP - Joel Clermont)
>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> 14 No's
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1 (PHP Surrey - Michael Cullum)
>>>>>>> +1 (ZürichPHP - Michelle Sanver)
>>>>>>> +1 (UpstatePHP - Steven Wade)
>>>>>>> +1 (Madison PHP - Beth Tucker Long)
>>>>>>> +1 (Minnesota PHP - Jonathan Sundquist)
>>>>>>> +1 (MemphisPHP - Joe Ferguson)
>>>>>>> +1 (PHP Quebec - Eric Hogue)
>>>>>>> +1 (SDPHP - John Congdon)
>>>>>>> +1 (PHP Warwickshire - Ben Plummer)
>>>>>>> +1 (DCPHP - Samantha Quiñones)
>>>>>>> +1 (Baltimore PHP - Chris Stone)
>>>>>>> +1 (PHP Leuven - Bart Reunes)
>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> 12 Yes's
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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