Re: [UG-ADMINS] Karma System
[email protected] (Elizabeth Tucker Long)
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Hi Tess,
Making different tiers doesn't eliminate the inability for a newer
member to catch up. For example, there are only so many opportunities
(realistically) to earn points. Let's say that the average member earns
100 points per year.
Lisa has been a member of the UG for 4 years. She earns a bit less than
the average, so she earns 80 points per year. She has 320 points.
Angela has been a member of the UG for 2 years. She earns a bit more
than the average, so she earns 110 points per year. She has 220 points.
In order for Angela to catch up to Lisa's value level, she would either
have to make 180 points next year (more than double the work of Lisa) or
it will take her 4 years to catch up at her current rate. Additionally,
for those four years, she would be considered "less valuable" than Lisa
even though she is contributing almost 38% more to the group than Lisa is.
Additionally, anyone who is more shy would really be at a loss to
maintain points. This gamification system heavily rewards outgoing
people and penalizes shy people.
Would you want to be a part of a group that publicly tell the world that
certain members of the group are better than others?
One last comment on this is that even if someone has just joined and has
zero points, does that make their ideas any less valuable than someone
who has been in the group for 5 years and has 600 points?
I see this as something that will increase the participation of a few,
which will discourage others from feeling like a useful part of the
group. It will also make for fewer participation opportunities for
others (if 5 people in the group are competing against each other for
top spot and they each give two talks at the group to try to earn more
points than everyone else, there are now only 2 talking spots left -
similar with blog posts, etc.).
Beth
On 4/27/15 2:44 PM, Tessa Mero wrote:
> The first section was to Beth, and my question at the end was for Paulo.
>
> Thanks again for listening.
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Tessa Mero <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> Beth, you bring up a great concern, and I immediately imagined a
> workaround for that issue.
>
> What if each member starts out at a level:
>
> (imaginary group levels)
>
> * New Community Member
> * Frequent Community Member
> * Senior Community Member
>
> Then, each group can have it's own set of ways to earn points:
> (and again, this is something I just made up as an example)
>
> * New Community Member
> o Ask a question [1 pt]
> o Reply to a post [0.5 pt]
> o Write about something interesting you read in Web
> Development [1 pt]
> o Connect with a PHP mentor [3 pt]
> o Log in each day [0.1 pt]
> * Frequent Community Member
> o Right a blog post [2 pt]
> o Assist with someones question [1 pt]
> o Log in each day [0.1 pt]
> * Senior Community Member
> o Assist with someones question [1 pt]
> o Speak at a conf [1 pt]
> o Attend a conf [1 pt]
> o Set up to mentor a new community member [3 pt]
> o Log in each day [0.1 pt]
>
> *Thinking deeper: *
>
> What if these points added up and gave you "upgraded" icons? Let's
> say, 100 points earn's you an upgraded icon, let's call it a
> "Star". 2 star at 200 points, 3 starts at 300 points.
> The purpose of the stars (whatever icons) is to be able to "hold
> onto" the reputation you've earned, if there is a case where you
> can "spend" your points on donated prizes.
>
> Alternatively, rather than spending points or earning stars, you
> can earn "titles" and be displayed on a scoreboard system or the
> "homepage" of wherever this system will take place.
>
>
> *Question: *
>
> How will you determine all the community members? Would we have to
> grit our teeth trying to get everyone to register for the new web
> application? I guess that's a good start to see who's actually
> "active". :-)
>
>
> Just throwing out some thoughts. ;-)
>
>
>
> Tessa Mero
>
> PS - I'm not involved in this gamification process at all, just
> taking interest in the subject.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Elizabeth Tucker Long
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> Hi Paulo,
> I can see how this information may be beneficial to
> organizers, but from a member's point of view, it seems like
> it is making UG membership into a scoreboard where your worth
> to the group is publicly displayed. I can only see this as
> something that would hurt the group. People who have lots of
> free time are more able to rack up the points, and now someone
> who is more busy or is a newer programmer (so they are not
> ready to contribute by speaking, programming, etc.) is now
> discounted as someone who is not-as-important. Also, how would
> new members ever be able to catch up to people who had been in
> the group longer?
> I'm all for letting UGs work on projects that they find
> useful for their specific use cases, but I feel that this
> project would only be divisive and does not foster a welcoming
> environment for many types of attendees.
> Beth
>
>
>
>
> On 4/27/15 2:12 PM, Paulo Eduardo wrote:
>
> Hello all, how are you?
>
> A few months ago, someone here on the mailing list ask
> about a badge system
> to gamefy experience of the communities members, last
> saturday i talked
> with Cal Evans at PHP Experience (a PHP Conference at São
> Paulo) about a
> Karma system that we at PHPSP are thinking about, so he
> asked me to send an
> e-mail here explaining the idea.
>
> But first let me tell a bit more about the motivations of
> the idea, a few
> of you may already know that PHPSP is the São Paulo User
> Group, and here we
> try to take decisions all together, something close to a
> democracy where
> every active member have a voice on the community and can
> vote on
> importante topics
>
> The problem is that is a little difficult to define
> "active member", só we
> thought about a karma system where the member can earn
> points of
> participation in differente types of activities on the
> User Group, things
> like:
>
> - Attende at an event
> - Talk at an event
> - Contribute on open source projects of the group
> - Create content for the UG blog
> - and so on....
>
> So by doing any of those activities, the member will earn
> a predefined
> number of points, and the total ammount of points the
> member has could lead
> to some benefits such as:
>
> - Discounts in events
> - Badges
> - Vote right
> - Freebies like T-shirst and stickers
> - Admim privileges at social networks
> - and so on....
>
> But the opposite is also true, the meber who spent a
> little while without
> make any contributions to the communitie will also loose
> some points. This
> way we think we can put in numbers what is in fact being
> an "active member".
>
> So the point of all this is that we was willing to make
> this system by
> ourselfs at PHPSP, but this could became much better if
> the communities all
> over the world want to make a big one. So what do you
> think folks? Is it a
> good idea? are you willing to make it happen?
>
> Thanks a lot and sorry for the huge post.
> Paulo Eduardo
> www.pauloeduardo.com <http://www.pauloeduardo.com>
> www.psyco.com.br <http://www.psyco.com.br>
>
>
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