Re: [UG-ADMINS] Karma System

Hi,

I will try to answer everyone on the same e-mail you are typing much faster
than i can (and that's awesome, I'm loving the feedback).

Cal,

Thank you very much for your support, I'm anxious to see the blog post you
mentioned.

Ben,

I will try to explain shortly how we manage things here, we also were a
community with central leadership, at least this is what they told me, when
i knew the community and start to contribute PHPSP was is some sort of
"transitional government" and this was one of the things that drag me into
the community and many more people came on the same time, so we noticed
that opening the community was bringing more and more people on, and this
was one more motivation to keep on the same path. In the beginning of this
path a feel people were willing to help and we could manage this manually,
but today, and don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to overestimate PHPSP, we
are almost 1000 member on Meetup and at least 30% of us want to contribute
even more than we already do, we are in fact with a lack of jobs for so
many people. So we can't just ask for people to contribute because the
volunteers will be much more than is possible. But the problem is that a
feel areas of interests attract more people than others, the community
members here really like to throw events, so with we ask for event
organizers we will have much more than we need, but on the other hand blog
posts is not our best (we're getting better on this too).

And is not just about voting rights, is more about giving back the help we
receive from every member, and is about to guide everyone where this help
will be more useful.

Beth,

The idea of resetting points from time to time did already crossed my mind,
and is in fact a point to consider, may be it could also be one of those
variable that i mentioned and every UG can try and find which way best fits
its culture.
About loosing administrative privileges, i think at some point could be a
necessity, otherwise we will start to accumulate a lot of managers for the
same role.
The second answer is included on my answer to Ben.

Jun,

We also want to receive contributions from people that are doing it because
they like, but i also don't see a problem if they do it (keeping the
quality of course) because they are competitive people wanting to earn some
points.


Atenciosamente
Paulo Eduardo
www.pauloeduardo.com
www.psyco.com.br

On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Jun Notz <[email protected]> wrote:

> I love all the idea and members would probably work to earn points but I
> always believe that joining UG is a free will. And being active in the
> group is also a choice. For me, I would rather have few members that is
> willing to contribute in the group because they like what they are doing,
> not having a huge number of members joining because they want to earn or
> get something. In my opinion, joining UG should be fun and not a
> competition. Just an opinion. :)
>
> Regards,
> Jun
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Elizabeth Tucker Long <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Hi Paulo,
> >     Perhaps you could reset the points every six months or every year. If
> > point values are reset periodically, that will prevent less-active
> > long-standing members from having more points than more-active newer
> > members (like in the example in my previous post).
> >     A few other questions I am wondering about:
> >
> > 1. Would you remove people from leadership/management roles if their
> > points drop below a certain point? Like in the Rafael example, if he had
> > gained enough points to be the Facebook manager, but then moved to
> > Amsterdam so his points began to lapse, would he at some point lose his
> > Facebook manager role?
> >
> > 2. If the point of this is to fill leadership positions and worker
> > positions, wouldn't it be easier to just ask for volunteers? (Just to
> make
> > sure my tone here is clear, I am honestly wanting to know this because
> I'm
> > wanting to better understand the problems that the gamification system is
> > solving.)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Beth
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 4/27/15 4:56 PM, Paulo Eduardo wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Beth,
> >>
> >> I undertand your point, i also have a little afraid that the
> gamification
> >> can create and unhealthy enviroment with people fighting for leadership
> in
> >> the ranking. But that's the point of start this discussion try to find
> the
> >> correct way to avoid this scenario and incentivate the participation on
> >> the
> >> user group. The first thing i have to say about that is that not at all
> >> someone who does not frequently participate on the user group should be
> >> put
> >> aside in any way, at least at PHPSP everyone can spread their voice in
> any
> >> subject, we are always open for suggestions and participation from the
> >> most
> >> new member of the communitie to the most old one.
> >>
> >> The point is that some decision should be make by a smaller group, we
> >> can't
> >> wait for the votes of everyone to make an emergency decision, we need
> also
> >> to give responsabilities to some member to not give a lot of work to
> just
> >> one. For example, today we have a group and a page on facebook, a group
> on
> >> meetup, a twitter account, a group and a organization on linkedin, many
> >> mailing channels, an organization and a lot of repositories on github,
> we
> >> throw a feel events every month, and we need the effort and
> participation
> >> of people to organize this things. Who would manage the facebbok page
> for
> >> example? we can't give administrative rights to everyone, it would
> cause a
> >> complete mess with everyone posting things and deleting things according
> >> to
> >> their criteria. But we can't alsdo let all of these channels just in one
> >> hand, the person would get nuts if have to manage everything alone.
> >>
> >> So thats the poont of points, i even think in do pontuation by groups,
> for
> >> example, facebook points will grant you administrative rights on
> facebbok
> >> pages, if you post a lot on the blog you gain administrative rights on
> >> wordpress system, and all this points together give you disccount on
> >> events, something like that.
> >>
> >> And about new members catching up the old ones that's the idea of
> loosing
> >> points if you is not active anymore. I didn't mean loose all of your
> point
> >> if you spent a week without participate, i mean progressivelly loose
> point
> >> with a lot of time (months at least) without any participation. Lets
> take
> >> a
> >> real example, Rafael Dohms (sorry man for make you an example) he is one
> >> of
> >> the founders of PHPSP, but he now lives in amsterdan for quite a while,
> a
> >> lot of things has changed since he went, now imagine if he came back to
> >> São
> >> Paulo, i don't think he can participate in all the decision same way a
> >> currently active meber anymore, mosthly because he will at least need
> some
> >> time to understand how things are now, that's the point of loosing
> points
> >> over time. That's doesn't mean he can't give suggestions or atendee at
> >> some
> >> event, these are rights of every member, even if meeting the group for
> the
> >> first time.
> >>
> >> And just to be clear, my idea was to make all these variables
> configurable
> >> for each UG, so everyone can adapt to the reallity of each user group.
> >>
> >> Atenciosamente
> >> Paulo Eduardo
> >> www.pauloeduardo.com
> >> www.psyco.com.br
> >>
> >>
> >>
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