Re: [UG-ADMINS] Dealing with a member issue

Beth,

Many leaders have provided good advice!  There is one thing that I'd like
to add, though. I have read through the CoC template:

*"Harassment includes: harmful or prejudicial verbal or written comments
related to gender, sexual orientation, race, religion, disability;
inappropriate use of nudity and/or sexual images in public spaces
(including presentation slides); deliberate intimidation, stalking or
following; harassing photography or recording; sustained disruption of
talks or other events; inappropriate physical contact; and unwelcome sexual
attention."*

I don't have much knowledge of legal documents, but I think that we can all
agree that this is called "unwelcome evangelism" and might not actually be
considered "harassment". It may be annoying to others as would be any
similar topic for which one becomes fanatical (drones, conspiracy theories,
UFO's, etc.). That said, we could add the above wordage as well as
"distribution of documents or pamphlets of a religious nature." Optionally
"discussion of sensitive religious topics" could be added. I'll do a PR. :)
As Joel stated, it's not about Jesus, Mohammed, or Buddha, it's about not
straying from the topic of PHP, or at least programming languages from a
comparison point of view.

I'd like to personally thank you Beth, as well as the others for all of
your hard work and unrequited dedication!

Christopher

On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 2:42 AM, Tessa Mero <[email protected]> wrote:

> Thanks Joel, another great point of view. (Sorry Beth, I'm taking in all
> the advice too). I would really love to hear your follow ups on what you
> are doing in the situation so definitely keep in touch. Maybe it can help
> me in a way too.
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 5:32 PM, Joel Clermont <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > One thought on how to approach it: It’s not really the subject matter
> that
> > is the point of contention. It’s his persistence, his attitude and his
> lack
> > of respect for how other people are reacting to his conversation. For
> > example, if he was cornering people and wanting to give Star Wars
> spoilers,
> > or talk about how Ruby is so much better than PHP, etc, people would
> likely
> > be having the same response.
> >
> > Taking the subject matter off the table may help to diffuse the situation
> > and help him to see you are not attacking his faith or his beliefs, but
> > trying to make him aware of how other people feel uncomfortable with his
> > level of intensity in conversing with them.
> >
> > Definitely a touchy situation, but it sounds like you are approaching it
> > with a level head and empathy. Kudos to that.
> >
> > Joel Clermont
> > 414-852-6221
> >
> > > On Jan 20, 2016, at 2:31 PM, Beth Tucker Long <[email protected]
> >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > We have a member who just started coming to our conference and user
> > group meetings. At the conference, he consistently cornered people to
> talk
> > to them about Jesus. He has started doing it at the meetings too. We have
> > asked him to stop and explained that this is not an appropriate venue for
> > these discussions and that the discussions need to stay PHP-focused. He
> has
> > replied that he cannot stop talking about Jesus, and that if we want him
> to
> > stop, we'll have to kick him out of the group. We responded with a firm
> > response clarifying that our group is not the appropriate venue for his
> > preaching and that discussions must stay on topic. We did not say he was
> > banned from the group. He has not taken the hint and has now tried
> > contacting the group leadership through the conference website (he
> > apparently doesn't realize that we are the same people) asking for a
> > face-to-face meeting to discuss these issues.
> > >
> > > Has anyone dealt with anything like this in their group? We do not want
> > this to get ugly as we are a small group and this person has not caused
> > issues in the past, so this is a new thing that started recently (in
> > November). Any advice?
> > > Thanks,
> > > Beth
> > >
> > >
> > >
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