Re: [UG-ADMINS] What about making this list public on https://www.mail-archive.com/

I agree that we should vote. But 24 hours is too small. We need at least a
few days.

And the list should still be listed on https://wiki.php.net/usergroups. But
someone will need to approve the requests to join.

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 12:14 PM, Beth Tucker Long <[email protected]>
wrote:

> I don't think the existence of the list needs to be private. As Ben
> mentioned, the wiki on php.net would be updated with the new information
> on how to join, so the information about the list would be just as public
> as it has always been, just the contents of the list discussions on the
> list would be private.
> Beth
>
>
>
> On 1/29/16 11:12 AM, Adam Culp wrote:
>
>> One concern I would have is the ability for new organizers to find this
>> new private list, and registering for it. This list has always been public
>> and easy to find, up to now.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Adam Culp
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>>
>> On 01/29/2016 12:09 PM, James Titcumb wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed, I think this would be very useful for organisers :)
>>>
>>> On 29 January 2016 at 17:03, Ben Ramsey <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Cal, I think it's worth opening up another thread and at least
>>>> discussing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Jonathan Sundquist <
>>>> [email protected]
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Based on Beth's concerns. Yes I think it is worth a vote on if we should
>>>>> move to a more private communication.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 11:00 AM Cal Evans <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Should we take a vote?
>>>>>> Move to Private Google Group
>>>>>> Stay where we are and open the archive
>>>>>>
>>>>>> THIS IS NOT A VOTING THREAD! I'm just asking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =C=
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Beth Tucker Long <
>>>>>> [email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't realize these messages were all public. I recommend we make
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> this
>>>>>
>>>>>> list private for members only as many of the topics that user group
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> leaders
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> may need to discuss should not be public matters, and I think the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> list
>>>>
>>>>> will
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> be more beneficial if members feel they can ask tough questions as
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> there
>>>>>
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> really no other place for us to ask the tough questions.
>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/29/16 10:45 AM, Ben Ramsey wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This list is currently public here: http://news.php.net/ug.admins
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Ben
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Joe Ferguson <[email protected]
>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      Invite only Google group would likely be a good solution.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      -
>>>>>>>>      Joe Ferguson
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      > On Jan 29, 2016, at 10:42, Rogerio Prado de Jesus
>>>>>>>>      <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>>      > I find out right now "a kind of" public archive in php.net
>>>>>>>>      <http://php.net> itself,
>>>>>>>>      > http://news.php.net/ug.admins , but mail-archive, as Ben
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> said,
>>>>
>>>>>      is much
>>>>>>>>      > easier to browse/search as is, with no need to move it from
>>>>>>>>      php.net <http://php.net>
>>>>>>>>      > immediately.
>>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>>      > Cal, could you take a look at the requirements to publish in
>>>>>>>>      mail-archive
>>>>>>>>      > for now? https://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#newlist
>>>>>>>> (Sorry
>>>>>>>>      bother you, I
>>>>>>>>      > really don't know who are the current admins of this list.
>>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>>      > See ya
>>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>>      > Rogerio
>>>>>>>>      > Evangelist at PHPSP
>>>>>>>>      > @RogerioPradoJ
>>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>>      >> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 2:41 PM Cal Evans <[email protected]
>>>>>>>>      <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>      >>
>>>>>>>>      >> You know Beth, that is an excellent point. I would still
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>      to get it off
>>>>>>>>      >> of php.net <http://php.net> but yes, keeping it closed is
>>>>>>>>      probably a good idea.
>>>>>>>>      >>
>>>>>>>>      >> Cheers!
>>>>>>>>      >> =C=
>>>>>>>>      >>
>>>>>>>>      >> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Beth Tucker Long <
>>>>>>>>      >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>>>>>      >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>      >>
>>>>>>>>      >>> I agree that it would be nice to have an easier search for
>>>>>>>>      archives for
>>>>>>>>      >>> this list, but I'm not sure it's a great idea to make it
>>>>>>>>      public. For
>>>>>>>>      >>> instance, the member issue I brought up recently isn't
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> really
>>>>
>>>>>      a good
>>>>>>>>      >> thing
>>>>>>>>      >>> to have on a publicly available website. I felt comfortable
>>>>>>>>      bringing this
>>>>>>>>      >>> up here because it is not a public group, so the affected
>>>>>>>>      parties would
>>>>>>>>      >> not
>>>>>>>>      >>> be privy to the information discussed about them here.
>>>>>>>>      >>> Beth
>>>>>>>>      >>>
>>>>>>>>      >>>
>>>>>>>>      >>>
>>>>>>>>      >>>> On 1/29/16 10:26 AM, Ben Ramsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>      >>>>
>>>>>>>>      >>>> There's been some discussion of moving this list off to
>>>>>>>>      something more
>>>>>>>>      >>>> user-friendly, like Google Groups.
>>>>>>>>      >>>>
>>>>>>>>      >>>> That said, I think getting the messages into an easier to
>>>>>>>>      search/browse
>>>>>>>>      >>>> format would be great.
>>>>>>>>      >>>>
>>>>>>>>      >>>> -Ben
>>>>>>>>      >>>>
>>>>>>>>      >>>>
>>>>>>>>      >>>>
>>>>>>>>      >>>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Rogerio Prado de Jesus <
>>>>>>>>      >>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      >>>>
>>>>>>>>      >>>> Hello, everyone, here's Rogerio from PHPSP (São Paulo,
>>>>>>>>      Brazil, user
>>>>>>>>      >> group,
>>>>>>>>      >>>>> http://phpsp.org.br).
>>>>>>>>      >>>>>
>>>>>>>>      >>>>> What do you guys think of making this list public on
>>>>>>>>      >>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/?
>>>>>>>>      >>>>>
>>>>>>>>      >>>>> Some of php mailings lists are already there
>>>>>>>>      >>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=all&q=lists.php.net&x=0&y=0
>>>>
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>>>      >>>>>
>>>>>>>>      >>>>> But only the administrator of this list can include
>>>>>>>>      [UG-ADMINS] there
>>>>>>>>      >>>>> (the
>>>>>>>>      >>>>> reasons are said in:
>>>>>>>>      https://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#newlist)
>>>>>>>>      >>>>>
>>>>>>>>      >>>>> Dear admins of this ug-admins list :-) , lets do it?
>>>>>>>>      >>>>>
>>>>>>>>      >>>>> See ya!
>>>>>>>>      >>>>>
>>>>>>>>      >>>>> Rogerio
>>>>>>>>      >>>>> Evangelist at PHPSP
>>>>>>>>      >>>>> @RogerioPradoJ
>>>>>>>>      >>> --
>>>>>>>>      >>> Beth Tucker Long
>>>>>>>>      >>> Treeline Design, LLC
>>>>>>>>      >>> 807 Arbor Vitae Place
>>>>>>>>      >>> Verona, WI 53593
>>>>>>>>      >>> 608-770-6677 <tel:608-770-6677>
>>>>>>>>      >>> http://www.TreelineDesign.com
>>>>>>>>      >>>
>>>>>>>>      >>>
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>>>>>>> Beth Tucker Long
>>>>>>> Treeline Design, LLC
>>>>>>> 807 Arbor Vitae Place
>>>>>>> Verona, WI 53593
>>>>>>> 608-770-6677
>>>>>>> http://www.TreelineDesign.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>
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