Re: [UG-ADMINS] What about making this list public on https://www.mail-archive.com/

I agree with Michael. My goal is to move to better tooling. Since php.net
in the past has resisted changing anything, improving our UX will require
moving off of php.net. I did not mean move away from PHP itself or
disassociate with php.net.

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On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Michael Cullum <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Lorna,
>
> I'd ask what does 'away from the main php.net project' mean?
>
> My perception of the change is just that we're moving onto a different tool
> and would maintain the same affiliation with php.net that the ug-admins
> group as there presently which is, as far as I can tell, just being linked
> to from php.net (and perhaps coherance to any polices php.net has about
> usage of lists.php.net).
>
> --
> Michael C
>
> On 30 January 2016 at 15:24, Lorna Mitchell <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > By moving the list away from php.net, are we moving the user groups away
> > from the main php.net project, or just choosing a different tooling?  I
> am
> > unclear what structure a new list would be part of, so I'm unsure about
> > this move but I'm definitely +1 on making it easier for user group
> leaders
> > to be in touch with one another.
> >
> > Lorna
> >
> > On 30 January 2016 at 08:46, Sean Prunka <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > It seems that all the current venues are effectively open to the
> public.
> > >
> > > This list, for public announcements.
> > > IRC, for various discussions.
> > > Slack, for inter-group coordination.
> > >
> > > Perhaps keeping all of these and adding a "closed" group mailing list
> for
> > > leadership concerns, advice, and the like might not be a bad idea.
> > >
> > > Each venue currently available (and proposed) adds value to a different
> > > aspect of UG leadership and/or "daily" operations.
> > >
> > > I do also recognize that have to many disparate venues of communication
> > > leads to disorganization, confusion, and the potential for
> cross-posting
> > > and mis-posting.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure where the happy medium exists.
> > >
> > > --Sean
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2016, 03:23 Andreas Heigl <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Sean.
> > > >
> > > > Am 30.01.16 um 08:05 schrieb Sean Prunka:
> > > > > It sounds like there is a strong desire for a public facing
> presence
> > > that
> > > > > is [perhaps] more accessible to new UGs and to the community at
> large
> > > > than
> > > > > this list currently is;
> > > > >
> > > > > But at the same time, there is a desire for a private discussion
> area
> > > > where
> > > > > we can "talk shop" about things specific to UG admins that do not
> > need
> > > to
> > > > > be (and in some cases, perhaps should not be) publicly
> > > > readable/accessible.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there a convenient way to both have our cake and eat it too?
> > > >
> > > > I don't think there's a way to have *both* approaches in one single
> > list.
> > > >
> > > > There is this list for UG-Admins with announcments and infos that is
> > > > publicly available (if you know where to search for it) and there's
> the
> > > > IRC-Channel #phpgroups (which is always rather quiet). It's the "old
> > > > school" INformation channel and especially the Mailinglist sometimes
> > > > contains material that should not be publicly available in my eyes.
> > > > Every Person running a usergroup should be registered here.
> > > >
> > > > And than there's the phpug-slack team at https://phpug.slack.com[1]
> > > > where not only the usergroup-leaders are welcome to join but also the
> > > > usergroup-members. I set that team up as part of php.ug to enable
> > > > usergroups to easily interact with one another and to allow easy
> > > > interaction between different usergroups. It has *never* been though
> as
> > > > a replacement to this mailinglist but as an addition! So far it seems
> > to
> > > > work out. So that would be a more public approach that is strongly
> > > > frequented especially by new usergroups.
> > > >
> > > > And those two "solutions" can perfectyl coexist in my eyes. Or do you
> > > > think otherwise?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Andreas
> > > >
> > > > [1] Get an invitation to the slack team from
> > > > http://murmuring-forest-7062.herokuapp.com/
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