Re: [UG-ADMINS] What about making this list public on https://www.mail-archive.com/

My fears, and why I can't +1, are:

  * Who will hold the "keys to the kingdom"? Because this could take a
    great deal of management.
  * How would someone be "vetted" if they ask to join? #coolkids
  * A private list, while allowing open communication withheld from our
    UG members, would promote an atmosphere of exclusion into something
    that should be open and free.
  * This would introduce politics into an area of PHP that has not had
    this in the past.

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On 01/30/2016 10:37 AM, Cal Evans wrote:
> I agree with Michael. My goal is to move to better tooling. Since php.net
> in the past has resisted changing anything, improving our UX will require
> moving off of php.net. I did not mean move away from PHP itself or
> disassociate with php.net.
>
> =C=
>
> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Michael Cullum <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Lorna,
>>
>> I'd ask what does 'away from the main php.net project' mean?
>>
>> My perception of the change is just that we're moving onto a different tool
>> and would maintain the same affiliation with php.net that the ug-admins
>> group as there presently which is, as far as I can tell, just being linked
>> to from php.net (and perhaps coherance to any polices php.net has about
>> usage of lists.php.net).
>>
>> --
>> Michael C
>>
>> On 30 January 2016 at 15:24, Lorna Mitchell <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> By moving the list away from php.net, are we moving the user groups away
>>> from the main php.net project, or just choosing a different tooling?  I
>> am
>>> unclear what structure a new list would be part of, so I'm unsure about
>>> this move but I'm definitely +1 on making it easier for user group
>> leaders
>>> to be in touch with one another.
>>>
>>> Lorna
>>>
>>> On 30 January 2016 at 08:46, Sean Prunka <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It seems that all the current venues are effectively open to the
>> public.
>>>> This list, for public announcements.
>>>> IRC, for various discussions.
>>>> Slack, for inter-group coordination.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps keeping all of these and adding a "closed" group mailing list
>> for
>>>> leadership concerns, advice, and the like might not be a bad idea.
>>>>
>>>> Each venue currently available (and proposed) adds value to a different
>>>> aspect of UG leadership and/or "daily" operations.
>>>>
>>>> I do also recognize that have to many disparate venues of communication
>>>> leads to disorganization, confusion, and the potential for
>> cross-posting
>>>> and mis-posting.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure where the happy medium exists.
>>>>
>>>> --Sean
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016, 03:23 Andreas Heigl <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Sean.
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 30.01.16 um 08:05 schrieb Sean Prunka:
>>>>>> It sounds like there is a strong desire for a public facing
>> presence
>>>> that
>>>>>> is [perhaps] more accessible to new UGs and to the community at
>> large
>>>>> than
>>>>>> this list currently is;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But at the same time, there is a desire for a private discussion
>> area
>>>>> where
>>>>>> we can "talk shop" about things specific to UG admins that do not
>>> need
>>>> to
>>>>>> be (and in some cases, perhaps should not be) publicly
>>>>> readable/accessible.
>>>>>> Is there a convenient way to both have our cake and eat it too?
>>>>> I don't think there's a way to have *both* approaches in one single
>>> list.
>>>>> There is this list for UG-Admins with announcments and infos that is
>>>>> publicly available (if you know where to search for it) and there's
>> the
>>>>> IRC-Channel #phpgroups (which is always rather quiet). It's the "old
>>>>> school" INformation channel and especially the Mailinglist sometimes
>>>>> contains material that should not be publicly available in my eyes.
>>>>> Every Person running a usergroup should be registered here.
>>>>>
>>>>> And than there's the phpug-slack team at https://phpug.slack.com[1]
>>>>> where not only the usergroup-leaders are welcome to join but also the
>>>>> usergroup-members. I set that team up as part of php.ug to enable
>>>>> usergroups to easily interact with one another and to allow easy
>>>>> interaction between different usergroups. It has *never* been though
>> as
>>>>> a replacement to this mailinglist but as an addition! So far it seems
>>> to
>>>>> work out. So that would be a more public approach that is strongly
>>>>> frequented especially by new usergroups.
>>>>>
>>>>> And those two "solutions" can perfectyl coexist in my eyes. Or do you
>>>>> think otherwise?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> Andreas
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] Get an invitation to the slack team from
>>>>> http://murmuring-forest-7062.herokuapp.com/
>>>>> --
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>>>
>>> --
>>> Lorna Mitchell
>>> http://lornajane.net
>>>